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Your App Won't Save the World

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Re: Your App Won't Save the World

#3
What is the point here? What actionable advice are readers supposed to glean from reading this article? It just sounds like you're being different for the sake of it. You're not really encouraging or discouraging, offering any advice or your own personal beliefs of how things should be.

Might be a bit harsh, but nothing bugs me more than a hater or someone with a dissenting opinion that offers little-to-no actionable suggestion or thought-provoking message. I read this and think "Hm, ok".

I agree that there's an issue with grandiosity, but I'm still unsure if it's a net positive or negative for society. Out of the millions working to change the world, maybe one will develop a solution that will truly affect the lives of others for the better. Or perhaps if we lower expectations and live life only to survive, we may be happier with ourselves overall. Who knows. Perhaps the trick is both raising the bar and lowering it and pushing ourselves to be content with falling anywhere in the middle.

Re: Your App Won't Save the World

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What a strange rhetorical style. Terse certainty, unimaginative characterization of the human possibility field (via maneuvers to things like "human nature"), short summations of complex historical turns... plus the loud graphic design/quotes. I feel like you've got some points in there but the piece betrayed their communication and a richer exploration.

I do believe a lot of (most?) startup culture applies powerful minds to small problems... which is in support of your headline...

However - why not think of capitalism (and the apps it rides in on) as a medium, or a technology? In this way, it can be used to transform culture. This may not change "human nature," whatever supposed boundaries that has (fwiw, I think it will)... but capitalism&tech applied as such can absolutely save lives, if not the world.

Whatabout an app that uses our network culture to problem solve something like the spread of disease? That counts as "saving the world" in my book.

Of course, "saving the world" usually comes with a shadow of imperialism, but that is another story for another day..

Re: Your App Won't Save the World

#7
> Civilization has made us docile, but we’re still the same people underneath, and a change in circumstance could send us back into that primitive state. To quote The Art of Looking Sideways: “Civilization is chaos taking a rest.”

I do grow tired of this idea of "primitive" people being a bunch of savages. One would think with the explosion of knowledge in anthropology we've acquired in the last century that the average person (and especially, the non-average person) would better understand just how wrong Hobbes was with his "nasty, brutish and short" comment.

Civilization as we know it is an attempt to adapt humans to societies at scale, ie. beyond ~200 or so people - and so far, it has worked badly. We're heavily optimized for tribal societies, which isn't surprising given that we developed and improved them over tens of thousands of years, compared to a mere four thousand for civilization.

Let me note that this isn't an indictment against civilization. As with any new thing (say, cars vs. horses, or guns vs. bows) the new development will initially be notably worse than the older one. Guns were around for hundreds of years before they replaced bows, and even then it took hundreds of years more before they made the leap to automatics that has made them so effective today.

Civilization is little different - we've tried all sorts of things, some of which have worked in some ways, many of which have collapsed under their own weight of corruption, inequality or other problems. And things are getting better. But this idea that "non-civilized" people are chaotic or savages really needs to go.

Re: Your App Won't Save the World

#8
> Runkeeper won’t make an athlete out of someone with no desire to run

And yet today, while driving and using the Navigon North America app on my phone, I got a nice spoken warning saying "CAUTION!" when my speed accidentally exceeded 75 mph when going downhill on a highway.

Re: Your App Won't Save the World

#9
> Your app won’t save the world.

> In fact, if the world is to be saved, it won’t be through human devices.

> Our image of primitive man is that he was a bumbling, grunting idiot.

Since the author is Christian (shown prominently anywhere his name appears), these three sentences make me question what he means by the word 'save.' If he means it in the 'spiritual Christian sense,' then of course no app will do that. And the 'our image' of primitive man seems like the Christian one, influenced by the concept of original sin.

> The world is governed much more by human nature than we’d like to admit, and human nature doesn’t change.

It seems to me that human nature can very much be influenced by technology. Slavery used to be commonplace, with many people (including the strongly religious) having no moral opposition to it. Massive atrocities throughout history have taken place because they were outside the public eye. Hateful words were much easier to speak in the past, before being caught by a recording device was a possibility. The fact that knowledge can now be spread quicker to the rest of the world (something that apps these days can sometimes help with) keeps a lot of this 'human nature' in check.

Just looking at the world today, it's hard to say that technology has not made a significant (and probably net positive) change in how people think and behave.

Re: Your App Won't Save the World

#10
This is stunningly wrong. Human nature is change, the ability to not only adapt to our circumstances but to effect them is the hallmark of Humanity.

The changing of cultural mores isn't something that just happens, it's something people do. And technology is just the creation of tools to do things. It won't magically make us better, but it does make us stronger when we choose to do good and be good.

He's also mistaken about Communism; it isn't doomed to fail because of some supposed incapability of humans for collective action (counterexamples: every organization ever). It's doomed because it's based on a misapprehension of the scalability of central economic planning.

This was a lesson learned at the cost of many millions of human lives, and it does them a disservice to not learn it.

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