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Topcoat: The full full-stack framework for Rust

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Re: Topcoat: The full full-stack framework for Rust

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Post by carllerche »

I didn't expect to see this here yet. We opened up the repo because we ran out of private CI usage. A blog post is coming next week :). Happy to answer questions here though.

One thing to keep in mind, the main reason for Topcoat to exist is that many organizations are already using Rust for infrastructure-level or performance sensitive reasons and often just want to build a web app using the programming language they already use.

Re: Topcoat: The full full-stack framework for Rust

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Post by carllerche »

newaccountman2 wrote: post #2

I don't feel like this is solving the painpoints I feel in the Rust web framework ecosystem. And how is it full-stack if they don't have anything for the DB layer in here?

This will (very soon) integrate tighter with the Toasty ORM http://github.com/tokio-rs/toasty/. E.g. tight form -> record flow. We are shipping now though to get usage.

What pain points do you have in the Rust web framework ecosystem? Happy to hear.

Re: Topcoat: The full full-stack framework for Rust

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Post by hobofan »

Hmm... I'm a big fan of a lot of the things that the tokio project has built and a happy user of axum.

I'm not sure that projects like Topcoat and something like their ORM is a great direction for the project, and worry that they will possibly gain outsized adoption in the community based on name recognition rather than merit.

Re: Topcoat: The full full-stack framework for Rust

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Post by carllerche »

hobofan wrote: post #5

Hmm... I'm a big fan of a lot of the things that the tokio project has built and a happy user of axum. I'm not sure that projects like Topcoat and something like their ORM is a great direction for the project, and worry that they will possibly gain outsized adoption in the community based on name recognition rather than merit.

I think it is highly likely topcoat / toasty will get split out. It is just work, especially since tokio-rs has more CI usage available than the default GitHub org.

Re: Topcoat: The full full-stack framework for Rust

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Post by the__alchemist »

newaccountman2 wrote: post #2

I don't feel like this is solving the painpoints I feel in the Rust web framework ecosystem. And how is it full-stack if they don't have anything for the DB layer in here?

Likewise. I'm commenting based on my position:

  - Rust Fanboy; use it in several domains (embedded, PC applications, bio/chem)
  - Web dev is the main thing I still use Python for, as there's nothing on Django's level.
Of interest: I am not a fan of Async in rust. I get that for web stuff it is a suitable model, but I still don't like it for no original reasons. As you stated, I don't feel like this is solving the missing aspects, e.g. auto migrations, admin, email, auth, etc.

Re: Topcoat: The full full-stack framework for Rust

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Post by carllerche »

the__alchemist wrote: post #9
newaccountman2 wrote: post #2

I don't feel like this is solving the painpoints I feel in the Rust web framework ecosystem. And how is it full-stack if they don't have anything for the DB layer in here?

Likewise. I'm commenting based on my position: - Rust Fanboy; use it in several domains (embedded, PC applications, bio/chem) - Web dev is the main thing I still use Python for, as there's nothing on Django's level. Of interest: I am not a fan of Async in rust. I get that for web stuff it is a suitable model, but I still don't like it for no original reasons. As you stated, I don't feel like this is solving the missi…

Migrations: Done with Toasty (https://github.com/tokio-rs/toasty/) which I intended to be integrated tightly with topcoat. You can see a rough roadmap here, which will be posted: https://github.com/tokio-rs/topcoat/issues/104

Better to ship early and hear what people want though :)

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