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Save Your Kisses For Me

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Re: Save Your Kisses For Me

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Post by new299 »

whyhellothere wrote: post #3

Adam Curtis is one of the most important documentary film thinkers of this or any other generation. Seminal. 'The Loving Trap' (2011) is a good place to start exploring this visionaries ground breaking work... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg Why is this on hacker news?

I'm also not sure why it's on hacker news, but his blog post are always wonderfully detailed and fascinating.

Perhaps this is more appropriate for hacker news though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines_of...

Re: Save Your Kisses For Me

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Post by pav3l »

whyhellothere wrote: post #3

Adam Curtis is one of the most important documentary film thinkers of this or any other generation. Seminal. 'The Loving Trap' (2011) is a good place to start exploring this visionaries ground breaking work... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg Why is this on hacker news?

I agree, even if you don't agree with Adam Curtis's politics, his documentaries are very thought provoking and well worth watching. Some of my favourites include "The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream", "The Century of self", "Pandora's Box", "All watched over by Machines Loving Grace". If you enjoyed this particular blog post, check out "The Power of Nightmares".

Re: Save Your Kisses For Me

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Post by nagrom »

This is a wonderful article that gives great historical background to the middle eastern conflict and sets it in a very real context of the distrust of authority that has become so much more visible in the past ten years.

But:

This is an example of where HN's policy on titles fails. The title is a great title for the article - it's pithy, relevant and captures the sentiment of the writer exactly.

However, on a news aggregator, the title is useless. I don't believe that anyone would have expected to read a treatise on the codependent relationship between the various authorities in the Middle East when reading that title. In this case, a better title could be generated without changing too much - "Save your kisses for me - the codependency of middle eastern authority" - that would accurately prepare the reader (and probably get more interest.)

Re: Save Your Kisses For Me

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Post by Nursie »

A good read, but this stuck out -

"Liberals in the west look on baffled and horrified. What they thought was a glorious revolution in the Arab world is morphing into something they don't understand."

Really? I'm (pretty) liberal but I watched the revolution with the knowledge that while evil was being ousted, revolutions seldom seem to end well. The developments in Egypt since then have, if anything, been comparatively mild. The Military either stepped aside or were made to step aside, without coups or mass bloodshed, and now there is an elected president that everyone is protesting over because he's given himself insane powers.

This is not a good situation, don't get me wrong, but for (almost) two years after a revolution? We're lucky we're not reading about massacres and mass graves.

Re: Save Your Kisses For Me

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Post by gadders »

whyhellothere wrote: post #3

Adam Curtis is one of the most important documentary film thinkers of this or any other generation. Seminal. 'The Loving Trap' (2011) is a good place to start exploring this visionaries ground breaking work... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg Why is this on hacker news?

He may be important, but that doesn't make him right. He makes interesting programs, but there are plenty of dissenting views.

Re: Save Your Kisses For Me

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Post by mercurial »

Nursie wrote: post #7

A good read, but this stuck out - "Liberals in the west look on baffled and horrified. What they thought was a glorious revolution in the Arab world is morphing into something they don't understand." Really? I'm (pretty) liberal but I watched the revolution with the knowledge that while evil was being ousted, revolutions seldom seem to end well. The developments in Egypt since then have, if anything, been comparative…

At the same time, I can understand it was easy to underestimate the weight of the Brotherhood, with medias playing on the name of El Baradei and other secular figures. I agree with your point that it could have been a lot worse.
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