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Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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Post by simonw »

freedomben wrote: post #2

Good post, but: > A venerable web application pattern that has had a small modern renaissance thanks to Remix Remix is not that popular. I don't think attributing this to remix is accurate. Next.js quite possibly.

The full context of that quote makes it clear that it's meant more as a wry joke:

> A venerable web application pattern that has had a small modern renaissance thanks to Remix, form submissions and redirects took a while to explain to my colleagues, on account of everyone being used to heavily client-side web applications.

(Although it's not really a joke, it's pretty amazing how many professional web developers these days don't know how to use forms without JavaScript.)

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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Post by afavour »

freedomben wrote: post #2

Good post, but: > A venerable web application pattern that has had a small modern renaissance thanks to Remix Remix is not that popular. I don't think attributing this to remix is accurate. Next.js quite possibly.

I think the author is suggesting that Remix was the inspiration for the renaissance, not that it's necessarily the most popular method for doing so.

I'd be curious to see the stats on how often Next.js users lean into the server component model that makes the frontend fast. My anecdotal experience is that it's an afterthought for many. By comparison, Astro (as mentioned by the author) makes you think about this stuff upfront via opt-in rather than opt-out. It's a wonderful framework.

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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Post by pspeter3 »

freedomben wrote: post #2

Good post, but: > A venerable web application pattern that has had a small modern renaissance thanks to Remix Remix is not that popular. I don't think attributing this to remix is accurate. Next.js quite possibly.

I think Remix brought back interest in Form Actions and other meta frameworks took inspiration from that.

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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Post by afavour »

entropichorse wrote: post #3

People who built a crappy website using React are just as likely to build a crappy website using Astro, HTML-first approach or any other technology

Not really, no. Astro requires you to opt a component in to client-side rendering, React (with its server components etc) require you to opt out. Defaults matter in scenarios like this and I'd bet the average developer of crappy websites would have a much faster site with Astro than React for that reason alone.
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