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Linux security mailing list 'almost unmanageable'

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Re: Linux security mailing list 'almost unmanageable'

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"Torvalds' remarks contrast with recent comments from fellow kernel maintainer Greg Kroah-Hartman, who recently told The Register that AI has become an increasingly useful tool for the FOSS community." Does it? Both points can be true at the same time.

I mean, they are two (of many) contrasting results of AI. The writer didn't say "contradict". But I agree they probably could have chosen better wording.

Re: Linux security mailing list 'almost unmanageable'

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"Torvalds' remarks contrast with recent comments from fellow kernel maintainer Greg Kroah-Hartman, who recently told The Register that AI has become an increasingly useful tool for the FOSS community." Does it? Both points can be true at the same time.

Linus also said

“AI tools are great, but only if they actually help, rather than cause unnecessary pain and pointless make-believe work,” he wrote. “Feel free to use them, but use them in a way that is productive and makes for a better experience.”

So I think the closing remark from the register isn’t really appropriate given the context from the quotes they pulled.

Re: Linux security mailing list 'almost unmanageable'

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Isn't it mostly the medium that's problematic? With an issue tracker it's easier to close as duplicate

If the AI is awesome at identifying security bugs in the linux kernel, it likely can also identify if the thing it's found is similar to something that is already found in the security mailing list?

Or, put another way -- what flags the duplicate? The filer or the system? If my cheese factory is measured by the volume of cheese instead of the quality, I'll churn out the cheese even if it's sloppy duplicated cheese. And that is the case if a person has to flag a new ticket as "same as this" or not.

What's that law that says that any sufficiently large problem turns into a moderation problem?

Re: Linux security mailing list 'almost unmanageable'

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Here's the actual mailing list post: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wi+JvcuKF2NaD_rGiYrwkR6rx...

Actual context: Linux 7.1-rc4 release, Linus remarked on a specific documentation change.

The Register somehow turned this into an "article" that says a lot less with roughly the same number of words, and provides "context" by linking to a number of unrelated articles.

Re: Linux security mailing list 'almost unmanageable'

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Fun fact (or not so fun if you're a subscriber):

Somebody is spamming kernel mailing lists under the name Marian Corcodel with a 26 MByte message multiple times per day containing a collection of nonsensical patches. Looks AI-generated, perhaps with the intention to poison LLMs. This has been going on for a few days now.

https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAGg4U=GNtCObd_Nbm_1Rr5FEvPb69Yz...

Re: Linux security mailing list 'almost unmanageable'

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Isn't it mostly the medium that's problematic? With an issue tracker it's easier to close as duplicate

An open visibility tracker would be a goldmine for finding new exploits before a fix is even available.

From what I’ve seen many of the AI bug search operators are newer to security research. They’re burning their tokens trying to find kernel bugs as their claim to fame before other people with AI tools find them first. They don’t spend time de-duplicating their own bugs.

Some of them may not be coming from real people. There are honeypot repos that are entirely fake and only have folders of simple files with clear security problems. They collect automated reports they get from all of the AI bots that people are running.

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