Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
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Re: Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
#2I would have loved to read the version of the article that dove deeper and was not touched by LLM, even if it meant less clear English from the (presumably Korean) author.
Re: Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
#3It doesn't make a convincing case to me. The differences cited seem no more, perhaps less than the differences between Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish which are, at least officially, distinct languages not dialects but are nonetheless largely mutually intelligible for many native speakers.
And I'll bet that "Modern slang expressions — enthusiastically adopted by younger generations" is also difficult for elderly South Koreans; just as teenage British slang is foreign to this seventy year old Briton.
I suspect that a kind of class distinction and lack of shared recent history is behind most of the difficulty in socialisation rather then the language itself.
Re: Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
#4It doesn't make a convincing case to me. The differences cited seem no more, perhaps less than the differences between Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish which are, at least officially, distinct languages not dialects but are nonetheless largely mutually intelligible for many native speakers. And I'll bet that "Modern slang expressions — enthusiastically adopted by younger generations" is also difficult for elderly South…
Exposure is also a path to more mutual intelligibility, even if the differences persist. You're more likely to understand a dialect that isn't yours if you've heard it before, or even better, heard it often. So while I don't know much about Korea, I suspect more contact between north and south would also bridge the gaps.
Re: Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
#5Reading this article, I found myself agreeing with more of it than I expected, even as a Korean-language speaker.
There are words that are used differently in North Korea and South Korea, but even within South Korean Korean, the sentence endings, vocabulary, and phrasing you should use can change a lot depending on the situation. The basic structure may be similar, but small differences matter.
Vocabulary changes depending on context, relationship, social distance, age, and whether the situation is public or private. North Korean speech is often more direct, but in South Korea, especially in more formal or higher-status social settings, speaking that directly can make a person sound crude or unsophisticated. Formal South Korean speech is often based on cushioning expressions. So even with the same Korean writing system, the rules for using sentences differ slightly.
This is something I feel even more strongly as a non-Western speaker participating on HN. If I do not use AI translation, many of my expressions become awkward. But after asking about it, I understand that even if the original Korean text was written without AI, using AI translation alone may cause the English version to be treated as Gen AI, which means I cannot really submit my blog posts.
So, reluctantly, I write my English comments by carefully combining machine translation, the English I have learned, and manual correction. Reading this article made me worry about how low-quality or awkward my comments may appear on HN.
Re: Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
#6Eh, Spanish has the same issues across the pond and everyone adapts quickly.
Móvil/Celular -cell phone-
Camarero/Mesero -waiter-
Tiroteo/Balacera -shooting-
Nevera/Heladera -freezer-
Cacahuete/Maní -peanut-
Coche/Carro -car- (In Iberian Spanish carro it's a old carriage)
Ordenador/Computadora (Computador was used in Ib. Spa. long ago maybe in 1960's and 1970's). And -computación (computing) it's used on formal, academical contexts, such as papers for the university.
Of course a formally written book will be understood everywhere, and the older, the better.
Re: Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
#7Reading this article, I found myself agreeing with more of it than I expected, even as a Korean-language speaker. There are words that are used differently in North Korea and South Korea, but even within South Korean Korean, the sentence endings, vocabulary, and phrasing you should use can change a lot depending on the situation. The basic structure may be similar, but small differences matter. Vocabulary changes dep…
Counter signalling is a powerful thing; I think your comment will be appreciated because it is clearly written by a human
Re: Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
#8Reading this article, I found myself agreeing with more of it than I expected, even as a Korean-language speaker. There are words that are used differently in North Korea and South Korea, but even within South Korean Korean, the sentence endings, vocabulary, and phrasing you should use can change a lot depending on the situation. The basic structure may be similar, but small differences matter. Vocabulary changes dep…
Counter signalling is a powerful thing; I think your comment will be appreciated because it is clearly written by a human
thanks!
Re: Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
#9Eh, Spanish has the same issues across the pond and everyone adapts quickly. Móvil/Celular -cell phone- Camarero/Mesero -waiter- Tiroteo/Balacera -shooting- Nevera/Heladera -freezer- Cacahuete/Maní -peanut- Coche/Carro -car- (In Iberian Spanish carro it's a old carriage) Ordenador/Computadora (Computador was used in Ib. Spa. long ago maybe in 1960's and 1970's). And -computación (computing) it's used on formal, acade…
You forgot the best one:
"Coger" in Spain means "to grab", in LATAM it means "to have sex" xD
Re: Lost in translation: The linguistic challenges facing N. Korean defectors (2025)
#10Eh, Spanish has the same issues across the pond and everyone adapts quickly. Móvil/Celular -cell phone- Camarero/Mesero -waiter- Tiroteo/Balacera -shooting- Nevera/Heladera -freezer- Cacahuete/Maní -peanut- Coche/Carro -car- (In Iberian Spanish carro it's a old carriage) Ordenador/Computadora (Computador was used in Ib. Spa. long ago maybe in 1960's and 1970's). And -computación (computing) it's used on formal, acade…
Sure, US vs. UK English has this as well, in things like "fanny", "boot", "chip", etc.
But a key difference here is that NK and SK are separated by a fence, not by 2,000 miles of ocean.