The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
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The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
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Re: The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
#2First you must have another nationality to use its passport.
Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations).
This will not work in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national - and things get gross if you are. I don't know if you have such questions elsewhere.
Re: The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
#3That title tells you that neither the person making that comment nor the one that gave them the time of day ever lived or know what it’s like to be in an actual dictatorship and it’s disrespectful to those who did. If this is a dictatorship then wow, North Korea must be great.
Re: The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
#4First you must have another nationality to use its passport. Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations). This will not work in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national - and things get gro…
> Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations).
This is illegal from a US perspective. US personal income tax is on worldwide income, regardless of where a citizen happens to be living. Some countries have mutual agreements with the US that mitigate that, but that’s the fundamental legal position.
> in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national
What I just described is precisely and entirely why those questions exist.
Re: The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
#5First you must have another nationality to use its passport. Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations). This will not work in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national - and things get gro…
This is highly illegal and could get you extradited back to the US if you're unlucky. Get advice from a real lawyer before doing anything like this.
Re: The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
#6First you must have another nationality to use its passport. Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations). This will not work in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national - and things get gro…
> Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations). This is illegal from a US perspective. US personal income tax is on worldwide income, regardless of where a citizen happens to be living. Some countries have mutual agreements with the US…
> This is illegal from a US perspective
Yes. It also need to be enforceable.
Take GDPR. If say a US website serving pages to the EU does not follow it at all, or even does everything the other way (collection, ...) the only thing the EU can do is wave their finger. Except if the site has options in the EU.
If you cannot enforce a law it is either dead, or you resort to bully actions like the US does (an example was Trump going account Iran the first time agent an agreement was signed, and telling the EU companies that if they continue to do business with Iran, their US subsidiaries will be fined)
> What I just described is precisely and entirely why those questions exist.
This is simply because we are chickens. Hopefully we will get rid of that someday.
No other country has such advantages like the US with the question about citizenship in financial documents. This is a disgrace.
Re: The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
#7First you must have another nationality to use its passport. Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations). This will not work in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national - and things get gro…
This is highly illegal and could get you extradited back to the US if you're unlucky. Get advice from a real lawyer before doing anything like this.
If you are a French citizen, you will not get extradited to the US for tax reasons.
For the record I am not a US citizen, fortunately.
Re: The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
#8First you must have another nationality to use its passport. Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations). This will not work in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national - and things get gro…
> Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations). This is illegal from a US perspective. US personal income tax is on worldwide income, regardless of where a citizen happens to be living. Some countries have mutual agreements with the US…
> Some countries have mutual agreements with the US that mitigate that, but that’s the fundamental legal position.
What mitigation are you talking about? Does it apply to Sweden?
Re: The Americans queueing up to renounce their citizenship
#9I would never, ever renounce my citizenship voluntarily. It gives me access to what I call home, my friends, my family, a massive job market. Politics are a bit rough right now but imagine if that clears up in ten years time and you can't go back. Keeping my passport will always assure that I can get back to The Netherlands.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations). This is illegal from a US perspective. US personal income tax is on worldwide income, regardless of where a citizen happens to be living. Some countries have mutual agreements with the US…
> Some countries have mutual agreements with the US that mitigate that, but that’s the fundamental legal position. What mitigation are you talking about? Does it apply to Sweden?
According to a simple search, yes: