Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
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Re: Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
#2i use an extension called OhMyECH to show whether a website used ECH, and it is currently very rare that i encounter one that does.
at least none of the major websites on the internet do.
Re: Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
#3i use an extension called OhMyECH to show whether a website used ECH, and it is currently very rare that i encounter one that does. at least none of the major websites on the internet do.
adding, one can test it here [1] though I think it also depends on the client using DoH [2] For people already using Cloudflare or Google DoH DNS it should just work.
To get ECH to work for me I had to enable DoH in my local Unbound DNS daemon and point Firefox to it rather than using unencrypted DNS on my LAN. I had to force a refresh (shift-F5 on tls-ech.dev). I only use my own recursive DNS so I get query logs and can block some ad/malware sites.
[1] - https://crypto.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/trace
[2] - https://tls-ech.dev/
Re: Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
#4Can't you just drop the ECH signals, no matter what site it is? Don't you then mostly disable sites you don't want people to see anyway? Maybe like, you can't download Chrome anymore, but I bet there would be a Russian fork suuuuper fast.
Re: Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
#5Can't you just drop the ECH signals, no matter what site it is? Don't you then mostly disable sites you don't want people to see anyway? Maybe like, you can't download Chrome anymore, but I bet there would be a Russian fork suuuuper fast.
Yes, Russia can shut off its Internet and computers. Know that super useful AI model out of Russia? Its name slips my tongue. Imagine how much better it will get.
Re: Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
#6Can't you just drop the ECH signals, no matter what site it is? Don't you then mostly disable sites you don't want people to see anyway? Maybe like, you can't download Chrome anymore, but I bet there would be a Russian fork suuuuper fast.
>I bet there would be a Russian fork suuuuper fast
There is Yandex Browser [0] which is based on Chromium and exists since 2010. Its share in Russia is ~33% while Chrome has 42% of the market [1].
[0] https://browser.yandex.com/
[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/russian-...
Re: Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
#7Can't you just drop the ECH signals, no matter what site it is? Don't you then mostly disable sites you don't want people to see anyway? Maybe like, you can't download Chrome anymore, but I bet there would be a Russian fork suuuuper fast.
Yes, Russia can shut off its Internet and computers. Know that super useful AI model out of Russia? Its name slips my tongue. Imagine how much better it will get.
That doesn't matter if you can't easily leave Russia, or you don't want to because you've been propagandized, etc.
I guess my broader point is we might need something for regimes that are willing to instate varying degrees of isolation. Like, "so your Internet is controlled by authoritarians; now what?" Not to imply there definitively is a thing--that xkcd about the wrench is the dominant principle ofc.
Re: Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, Russia can shut off its Internet and computers. Know that super useful AI model out of Russia? Its name slips my tongue. Imagine how much better it will get.
That doesn't matter if you can't easily leave Russia, or you don't want to because you've been propagandized, etc. I guess my broader point is we might need something for regimes that are willing to instate varying degrees of isolation. Like, "so your Internet is controlled by authoritarians; now what?" Not to imply there definitively is a thing--that xkcd about the wrench is the dominant principle ofc.
>if you can't easily leave Russia, or you don't want to because you've been propagandized, etc.
It's bizarre that you don't consider that people first of all don't want to leave their country.
Re: Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't matter if you can't easily leave Russia, or you don't want to because you've been propagandized, etc. I guess my broader point is we might need something for regimes that are willing to instate varying degrees of isolation. Like, "so your Internet is controlled by authoritarians; now what?" Not to imply there definitively is a thing--that xkcd about the wrench is the dominant principle ofc.
>if you can't easily leave Russia, or you don't want to because you've been propagandized, etc. It's bizarre that you don't consider that people first of all don't want to leave their country.
I didn't say that. I think you need an internet break
Re: Encrypted Client Hello: How it was blocked in Russia and next steps
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
>if you can't easily leave Russia, or you don't want to because you've been propagandized, etc. It's bizarre that you don't consider that people first of all don't want to leave their country.
I didn't say that. I think you need an internet break
>I didn't say that.
Exactly. You only said about difficulties leaving and being propagandized. As if people need to be propagandized to be attached to their own country.