The state of modern AI text to speech systems for screen reader users
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The state of modern AI text to speech systems for screen reader users
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#2Has anyone considered decompiling eloquence? With something like ghidra or ida pro? Mario 64 was turned back into high level language source code this way.
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#3This surprises me: "These modern systems are developed to sound human, natural, and conversational. Unfortunately this seems to come at the expense of accuracy. In my testing, both models had a tendency to skip words, read numbers incorrectly, chop off short utterances, and ignore prosody hints from text punctuation. "
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#4Glooming bottom line:
So what's the way forward for blind screen reader users? Sadly, I don't know.
Modern text to speech research has little overlap with our requirements. Using Eloquence [32-bit voice last compiled in 2003], the system that many blind people find best, is becoming increasingly untenable. ESpeak uses an odd architecture originally designed for computers in 1995, and has few maintainers. Blastbay Studios [...] is a closed-source product with a single maintainer, that also suffers from a lack of pronunciation accuracy.
In an ideal world, someone would re-implement Eloquence as a set of open source libraries. However, doing so would require expertise in linguistics, digital signal processing, and audiology, as well as excellent programming abilities. My suspicion is that modernizing the text to speech stack that is preferred by blind power-users is an effort that would require several million dollars of funding at minimum.
Instead, we'll probably wind up having to settle for text to speech voices that are "good enough", while being nowhere near as fast and efficient [800 to 900 words per minute] as what we have currently.
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#6Who owns Eloquence and why hasn’t a new version been released since 2003?
I feel like there’s a lot of backstory I’m missing.
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#7What use is human sounding TTS when your desktop cannot read the contents of windows?
As someone with progressive retinal tearing who's used the linux desktop for 20 years I'm terrified. The forcing of the various incompatible waylands by the big linux corps has meant the end of support for screen readers. The only wayland compositor that supports screen readers in linux is GNOME's mutter and they literally only added that support last year (after 15 years of waylands) and instead of supporting standard at-spi and existing protocols that Orca and the like use GNOME decided to come up with two new in-house GNOME proprietary protocols (which themselves don't send the full window tree or anything on request but instead push only info about single windows, etc, etc) for doing it. No other wayland compositor supports screen readers. And without any standardization no developers will ever support screenreaders on waylands. Basically only GNOME's userspace will sort of support it. There's no hope for non-X11 based screen readers and all the megacorps are say they're dropping X11 support.
The only options I have are to use and maintain old X11 linux distros myself. But eventually things like CA TLS and browsers just won't be feasible for me to backport and compile myself. Eventually I'm going to have to switch to using Windows. It's a sad, sad state of things.
And regarding AI based text to speech: almost all of it kind of sucks for screen readers. Particularly the random garbled ai-noises that happen between and at the end of utterances, inaccurate readings, etc in many models. Not to mention requiring the use of a GPU and lots of system resources. The old Festival 1.96 Nitech HTS voices on (core2duo) CPU from the early 2000 are incomparibly faster, more accurate, and sound decent enough to understand.
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#8Who owns Eloquence and why hasn’t a new version been released since 2003? I feel like there’s a lot of backstory I’m missing.
Microsoft. A new version hasn’t been released because Microsoft, like most companies, don’t take accessibility seriously.
The original Eloquence TTS was developed as ETI-Eloquence. ScanSoft acquired speech recognition company SpeechWorks in 2003, and in October 2005, ScanSoft merged with Nuance Communications, with the combined company adopting the Nuance name. Currently, Code Factory distributes ETI Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI 5 TTS synthesizer, though I can’t figure out exact licensing relationship between Code Factory and Nuance, which was acquired by Microsoft in like 2022
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#9It's not just screen reader users. I use TTS to listen to text content and the AI TTS voices I've tried have the issues with skipping words or generating garbled output in sections.
I don't know if this is a data/transcription issue, an issue with noisy audio, or what.
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#10I have been working on playing around with over 10 stt systems in last 25 days and its really weird to read this article as my experience is the opposite. Stt models are amazing today. They are stupid fast, sound great and very simple to implement as huggingface spaces code is readily available for any model. Whats funny is that the model he was talking about "supertonic" was exactly the model I would have recommended if people wanted to see how amazing the tech has become. The model is tiny, runs 55x real time on any potato and sounds amazing. Also I think he is implementing his models wrong. As he mentions that some models don't have streaming and you have to wait for the whole chunk to be processed. But that's not a limit in any meaningful way as you can define the chunk. You can simply make the first n characters within the first sentence be the chunk and process that first and play that immediately while the rest of the text is being processed. ttfs and ttfa on all modern day models is well below 0.5 and for supertonic it was 0.05 with my tests.....