Logistics Is Dying; Or – Dude, Where's My Mail?
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Re: Logistics Is Dying; Or – Dude, Where's My Mail?
#2When "free shipping" is what consumers expect, do you think people are ready to pay for better service? It the package is lost, it is often cheaper to write it off as a loss and send another item or refund.
If you need overnight shipping, you can have it, but it is not cheap, so most people won't do it. As for documents, is is all electronic now.
Logistics is very much alive, but it is adapted to our needs, that is massive containerships for worldwide trade, local warehouses for fast delivery of common items, reliability that is in balance with the cost of losing items, speed matching what people are ready to pay for, and specialized services for special needs, like overnight shipping.
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It made me think about the "Lettre Verte" in France, named after the green stamp, and also supposedly because it is good for the planet. It was introduced early 2010s as a cheaper, slower (2 days instead of 1) alternative to the "priority" red stamp. And now the red stamp is gone, replaced with an electronic service and the green stamp is now 3 days instead of 2. Mail has become much slower overall, because there is much less mail than before, and fast service is not economically viable nor essential on a day-to-day basis. La Poste used to have a dedicated high speed train, equipped with sorting center for overnight mail across the country, now decommissioned, not enough mail to fill a train.
Re: Logistics Is Dying; Or – Dude, Where's My Mail?
#3When "free shipping" is what consumers expect, do you think people are ready to pay for better service? It the package is lost, it is often cheaper to write it off as a loss and send another item or refund. If you need overnight shipping, you can have it, but it is not cheap, so most people won't do it. As for documents, is is all electronic now. Logistics is very much alive, but it is adapted to our needs, that is m…
Agreed. The author seems to think that logistics should be like memory and Moore's Law, but in fact there are very rigid limits on the system. Sea transport isn't going to get any faster - probably ever. Air transport is subsonic. Ground transport is limited to highway speeds for trucks, and about the same in the US for rail (because we suck and can't have nice things).
These hard limits mean that the improvements in delivery speeds are asymptotic to a significant, nonzero value.
Product delivery throughput is profit to logistics companies; they aren't sitting around just hoping their trucks see all the green lights on their next trip. Storage management is being aided by robots, but no one expects them to start retrieving packages 10x faster than humans. We've had robotic inventory control for at least three decades in many factories, and the possible gains are probably already technically realized.
Re: Logistics Is Dying; Or – Dude, Where's My Mail?
#4When "free shipping" is what consumers expect, do you think people are ready to pay for better service? It the package is lost, it is often cheaper to write it off as a loss and send another item or refund. If you need overnight shipping, you can have it, but it is not cheap, so most people won't do it. As for documents, is is all electronic now. Logistics is very much alive, but it is adapted to our needs, that is m…
Agreed. The author seems to think that logistics should be like memory and Moore's Law, but in fact there are very rigid limits on the system. Sea transport isn't going to get any faster - probably ever. Air transport is subsonic. Ground transport is limited to highway speeds for trucks, and about the same in the US for rail (because we suck and can't have nice things). These hard limits mean that the improvements in…
> Sea transport isn't going to get any faster - probably ever.
Sea transport could be sped up by 50% with current ships just by turning the engines to full, but that increases the fuel cost dramatically. With an EV ship that fuel cost increase would probably be negligible.
The issue with speeding up sea transport is that the ports at either end are already running close to or at capacity, so increasing the number of ships arriving each day just leads to more time at anchor.
Re: Logistics Is Dying; Or – Dude, Where's My Mail?
#5Speak for yourself. My mail is usually delivered next-day and I can track it live on the truck. I get annoyed when something I ordered is being delivered by someone other than swisspost. I get notifications the day before and day of delivery.
Swisspost had been cutting its budget back consolidating locations but despite this is delivering even better service using tech.
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#6When "free shipping" is what consumers expect, do you think people are ready to pay for better service? It the package is lost, it is often cheaper to write it off as a loss and send another item or refund. If you need overnight shipping, you can have it, but it is not cheap, so most people won't do it. As for documents, is is all electronic now. Logistics is very much alive, but it is adapted to our needs, that is m…
Agreed. The author seems to think that logistics should be like memory and Moore's Law, but in fact there are very rigid limits on the system. Sea transport isn't going to get any faster - probably ever. Air transport is subsonic. Ground transport is limited to highway speeds for trucks, and about the same in the US for rail (because we suck and can't have nice things). These hard limits mean that the improvements in…
Fair points, but I think you're responding to an argument my piece isn't quite making.
The complaint isn't that logistics should follow Moore's Law or that we need same-day delivery for everything. It's that we're paying more for objectively worse service than we had a decade ago. Services aren't "adapting to consumer needs", its just objective decay being masked as optimization.
The Lettre Verte example actually reinforces the point: service got slower, then slower again, not because physics demanded it but because maintaining the previous standard became inconvenient. The dedicated sorting train wasn't decommissioned because trains stopped working; it was decommissioned because the institution decided the mail didn't matter enough to run it.
Nobody expects sea transport to break the sound barrier. But when 73% of consumers experience an outright delivery failure in a three-month period, that's not bumping against hard physical limits. That's drivers marking packages "delivered" that weren't, because lying clears the route faster. That's solvable. We're just in a system that doesn't incentive fixing it.
The asymptotic argument would land if we were approaching some theoretical maximum. We're not. We're sliding backward from where we were, while costs rise. I'm not asking for magic, I'm asking where went the reliability we already had, at the prices we're already paying.
Re: Logistics Is Dying; Or – Dude, Where's My Mail?
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. The author seems to think that logistics should be like memory and Moore's Law, but in fact there are very rigid limits on the system. Sea transport isn't going to get any faster - probably ever. Air transport is subsonic. Ground transport is limited to highway speeds for trucks, and about the same in the US for rail (because we suck and can't have nice things). These hard limits mean that the improvements in…
Fair points, but I think you're responding to an argument my piece isn't quite making. The complaint isn't that logistics should follow Moore's Law or that we need same-day delivery for everything. It's that we're paying more for objectively worse service than we had a decade ago. Services aren't "adapting to consumer needs", its just objective decay being masked as optimization. The Lettre Verte example actually rei…
> It's that we're paying more for objectively worse service than we had a decade ago.
> I'm not asking for magic, I'm asking where went the reliability we already had, at the prices we're already paying.
My god thank you! My partner and I have been talking about this for the past 2 years in the context of food service and delivery service industry.
Greater than 50% of all our restaurant orders are straight up wrong or missing items, whether it’s from local places, chains, or fast food restaurants.
The unreliability is staggering, especially because we’re paying so much more!
It’s gotten so bad that we’re done with certain services and establishments for good now, or we make sure to QC before leaving the restaurant to ensure everything is in the bag.
Even more ironic, this happened a couple weeks ago at Texas Roadhouse — the same restaurant I worked in decades ago as a teenager, so I remember the process we had to go through for to-go orders.
First, we’d take the order over the phone. We’d repeat the order back to the customer to confirm everything (1st QC). When the food came up in the window, we’d pack the food in bags, crossing off every item on the receipt before stapling it to the bag (2nd QC). When the customer came to pick up their food, we’d have to take every box out of the bag, show the customer the food, and confirm that everything they expected in their order was there (3rd QC).
No customer. Every left. With an incorrect order. Simple.
That process is gone now. We paid more and came home missing my partner’s meal. Wtf.
Re: Logistics Is Dying; Or – Dude, Where's My Mail?
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. The author seems to think that logistics should be like memory and Moore's Law, but in fact there are very rigid limits on the system. Sea transport isn't going to get any faster - probably ever. Air transport is subsonic. Ground transport is limited to highway speeds for trucks, and about the same in the US for rail (because we suck and can't have nice things). These hard limits mean that the improvements in…
Fair points, but I think you're responding to an argument my piece isn't quite making. The complaint isn't that logistics should follow Moore's Law or that we need same-day delivery for everything. It's that we're paying more for objectively worse service than we had a decade ago. Services aren't "adapting to consumer needs", its just objective decay being masked as optimization. The Lettre Verte example actually rei…
Are we paying more? Or are we being lied to about the rate of inflation?
Re: Logistics Is Dying; Or – Dude, Where's My Mail?
#9The article makes a claim that it is no better in Canada and proceeds to remark about financial conditions. The mail is being delivered just fine, just not profitably.
I've not had issues with the USPS, but I don't doubt that it is getting worse. Private delivery (Amazon and the like) has been pretty much flawless. Order from McMaster, and it almost invariably arrives within two days (continental US)
I just don't experience what the author is getting at.
Re: Logistics Is Dying; Or – Dude, Where's My Mail?
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair points, but I think you're responding to an argument my piece isn't quite making. The complaint isn't that logistics should follow Moore's Law or that we need same-day delivery for everything. It's that we're paying more for objectively worse service than we had a decade ago. Services aren't "adapting to consumer needs", its just objective decay being masked as optimization. The Lettre Verte example actually rei…
> It's that we're paying more for objectively worse service than we had a decade ago. > I'm not asking for magic, I'm asking where went the reliability we already had, at the prices we're already paying. My god thank you! My partner and I have been talking about this for the past 2 years in the context of food service and delivery service industry. Greater than 50% of all our restaurant orders are straight up wrong o…
I hear a lot of stories like this; but the question I always come back to is - what incentive is their to discard the working system? In your case its the 3qc step process, why is that just gone now?
The more I look into these systematic changes the less sense it makes.