Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
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Re: Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
#2If it happened by force, then the US has attacked the EU.
I almost cannot conceive that it would happen.
However, if it does, the EU would have to force all US military personnel stationed on the bases across the EU to leave the region.
Re: Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
#3If it happened by force, then the US has attacked the EU. I almost cannot conceive that it would happen. However, if it does, the EU would have to force all US military personnel stationed on the bases across the EU to leave the region.
EU and NATO, NATO is larger than the EU itself. It would be a political, economic, and military disaster (even if the US "wins" the conflict) for the US. Losing 31 ally nations (possibly more) overnight and all those facilities would be a long-term military disaster, and a longer-term political disaster. Who would ever ally with the US again for the next several decades knowing that the US will turn on allies?
Re: Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
#4I wouldn't describe Trump as seriously wanting to take over Greenland. Vs. being kinda desperate to talk big, get headlines, flex his ego, and distract folks from his domestic problems & waning voter approval numbers.
Obviously, that's no assurance that he won't actually try to do it. But I think he and his inner circle are quite aware that taking it would mostly remove "talk big about taking Greenland" from his rhetorical toolbox. While providing endless opportunities for Trump to look bad, for having "conquered" an undefended, high-maintenance block of ice.
Re: Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
#5If it happened by force, then the US has attacked the EU. I almost cannot conceive that it would happen. However, if it does, the EU would have to force all US military personnel stationed on the bases across the EU to leave the region.
> I almost cannot conceive that it would happen.
I absolutely can. A decade ago, it would have been inconceivable, but we have gone seriously off the rails since then.
Re: Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
#6If it happened by force, then the US has attacked the EU. I almost cannot conceive that it would happen. However, if it does, the EU would have to force all US military personnel stationed on the bases across the EU to leave the region.
EU and NATO, NATO is larger than the EU itself. It would be a political, economic, and military disaster (even if the US "wins" the conflict) for the US. Losing 31 ally nations (possibly more) overnight and all those facilities would be a long-term military disaster, and a longer-term political disaster. Who would ever ally with the US again for the next several decades knowing that the US will turn on allies?
This. I would hope for this. Let them take Greenland to save lives. But while the win the battle they lose the war. No more NATO. No more allies in Europe. The next time something goes wrong America will be alone because Trump ruined anything decent with America.
Re: Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
#7I wouldn't describe Trump as seriously wanting to take over Greenland. Vs. being kinda desperate to talk big, get headlines, flex his ego, and distract folks from his domestic problems & waning voter approval numbers. Obviously, that's no assurance that he won't actually try to do it. But I think he and his inner circle are quite aware that taking it would mostly remove "talk big about taking Greenland" from his rhet…
In International Relations the most dominant theory is called “Realism”[0], which basically says that States will be self-interested and cooperation happens when both sides gain from it, but also factors in each side’s powers, both military and soft. But in the end it’s RATIONAL actors.
Like having the Nuke is great because nobody is crazy enough to mess with you because you can nuke them, but also you will get nuked. Mutual Assured Destruction and whatnot.
I keep hearing people arguing that Trump is rational and making moves “because he can”. And the US absolutely can do pretty much whatever it wants because of it’s position in the globe. Where’s the limit though? What line crossed would make the world actually turn against the US?
To be honest I have a really hard time accepting that his actions are chess moves. The Venezuela thing is borderline crazy but the US has done it before multiple times.
The Greenland stuff.. THAT would be nuts. That would in fact show he’s not rational and his people can’t hold him back anymore.
Or maybe I eat my words and this is more like the tariffs thing, where he barks and growls but in the end is a bully tactic to get others to do what he wants. Because that has in fact worked somewhat well.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_(international_relatio...
Re: Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
#8If it happened by force, then the US has attacked the EU. I almost cannot conceive that it would happen. However, if it does, the EU would have to force all US military personnel stationed on the bases across the EU to leave the region.
Almost. I’m admittedly being pedantic, but here’s the nuance:
Greenland is not part of the EU. Their citizens are Danish citizens, and as such, they are EU citizens. Confused yet? Greenland is a member of NATO - which is actually much more problematic. If Trump invades Greenland, he’s delivered NATO’s head on a silver platter to Vladimir Putin. I’d call that aiding and abetting an enemy - an act of treason - but I’m old school.
Since this is HN, what’s the tech angle?
The EU will restrict or outright ban U.S. Big Tech. Big Tech stocks will tank, and we can expect hundreds of thousands of layoffs as a result. More concerning, EU consumers will boycott as many American products as they can - just as Canadians have done. That means a wave of U.S. business failures and even more job losses. It’s also a big win for China, who will happily fill the gap.
Oh, and all U.S. military personnel and their families? Deported immediately. My crystal ball isn’t telling me what happens to the materiel.
So much winning!
Re: Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
#9Let's boot out the US then
Re: Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
#10I wouldn't describe Trump as seriously wanting to take over Greenland. Vs. being kinda desperate to talk big, get headlines, flex his ego, and distract folks from his domestic problems & waning voter approval numbers. Obviously, that's no assurance that he won't actually try to do it. But I think he and his inner circle are quite aware that taking it would mostly remove "talk big about taking Greenland" from his rhet…
This is what I thought about his tariff talk and then Obliteration Day happened.