CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
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CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
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Re: CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
#2Right now the problem is what the author already mentions - the use of Sec-Fetch-Site (FYI, HTTP headers are case insensitive :) - is considered defense in depth in OWASP right now, not a primary protection.
Unfortunately OWASP rules the world. Not because it's the best way to protect your apps, but because the corporate overloads in infosec teams need to check the box with "Complies with OWASP Top 10"
Re: CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
#3Right now the problem is what the author already mentions - the use of Sec-Fetch-Site (FYI, HTTP headers are case insensitive :) - is considered defense in depth in OWASP right now, not a primary protection. Unfortunately OWASP rules the world. Not because it's the best way to protect your apps, but because the corporate overloads in infosec teams need to check the box with "Complies with OWASP Top 10"
Hi, author here.
This was actually a mistake. If you look at the OWASP cheat sheet today you will see that Fetch Metadata is a top-level alternative to the traditional token-based protection.
I'm not sure I understand why, but the cheat sheet page was modified twice. First it entered the page with a top-level mention. Then someone slipped a revision that downgraded it to defense in depth without anyone noticing. It has now been reverted back to the original version.
Some details on what happened are in this other discussion from a couple of days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46347280.
Re: CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
#4I'm surprised there's no mention of the SameSite cookie attribute, I'd consider that to be the modern CSRF protection and it's easy, just a cookie flag:
https://scotthelme.co.uk/csrf-is-dead/
But I didn't know about the Sec-Fetch-Site header, good to know.
Re: CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
#5I'm surprised there's no mention of the SameSite cookie attribute, I'd consider that to be the modern CSRF protection and it's easy, just a cookie flag: https://scotthelme.co.uk/csrf-is-dead/ But I didn't know about the Sec-Fetch-Site header, good to know.
The OWASP CSRF prevention cheat sheet page does mention SameSite cookies, but they consider it defense in depth: https://cheatsheetseries.owasp.org/cheatsheets/Cross-Site_Re....
Re: CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
#6Am I missing something? The suggested protection helps with XSS flavors of CSRF but not crafted payloads that come from scripts which have freedom to fake all headers. At that point you also need an oauth/jwt type cookie passed over a private channel (TLS) to trust the input. Which is true for any sane web app, but still…
Re: CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
#7Am I missing something? The suggested protection helps with XSS flavors of CSRF but not crafted payloads that come from scripts which have freedom to fake all headers. At that point you also need an oauth/jwt type cookie passed over a private channel (TLS) to trust the input. Which is true for any sane web app, but still…
If an attacker has a user's private authentication token, usually stored in a __Host prefixed cookie, then it's game over anyway. CSRF is about protecting other sites forcing a user to make a request to a site they're authenticated to, when the malicious site doesn't actually have the cookie/token.
CSRF is when you don't have the authentication token, but can force a user to make a request of your choosing that includes it. In this context you're using HTML/JS and are limited by the browser in terms of what headers you can control.
The classic CSRF attack is just a on a random site that posts to "victim.com/some_action". If we were to re-write browser standards today, cross-domain POST requests probably just wouldn't be permitted.
Re: CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
#8If you want, “SameSite=Strict” may also be helpful and is supported on “all” browsers so it is reasonable to use it (but like you did, adding server validation is always a +).
https://caniuse.com/mdn-http_headers_set-cookie_samesite_str...
This checks Scheme, Port and Origin to decide whether the request should be allowed or not.
Re: CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
#9Are there any approaches to csrf tokens that don't require storing issued tokens on server-side?
Re: CSRF protection without tokens or hidden form fields
#10If you want, “SameSite=Strict” may also be helpful and is supported on “all” browsers so it is reasonable to use it (but like you did, adding server validation is always a +). https://caniuse.com/mdn-http_headers_set-cookie_samesite_str... This checks Scheme, Port and Origin to decide whether the request should be allowed or not.
I find that cookie setting really confusing. It means that cookies will only be respected on requests that originated on the site that set them... but that includes when you click links from one site to another.
So if you follow a link (e.g. from a Google search) to a site that uses SameSite=Strict cookies you will be treated as logged out on the first page that you see! You won't see your logged in state until you refresh that page.
I guess maybe it's for sites that are so SPA-pilled that even the login state isn't displayed until a fetch() request has fired somewhere?