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OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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It used to be that you could find an IPO underwriter after 100M in revenue and growing YoY above others in the competitive basket.

I’m not sure that’s true anymore, I think you still need the revenue, but just need attention. everything else is just whatever because you can’t predict 10 year outcomes for any business at this point with any level of confidence, and there’s nothing to compare it to other than extremely different businesses.

Ultimately it’s more of the same goal with differing levers:

Offload a massive illiquid investment onto the public so that investors make their fund

Make sure it can tread water long enough for people to forget about it so it can go through the long and slow enshittification period

After all the prime investors have liquidated and some cooling period, risk of lawsuits from activist investors drops significantly, they can ratchet up the margins, do a few years of layoffs to pump the price.

Then everyone involved is back to where they started, only the top 100 richest people put even more distance between themselves and everyone else so they can now invest in radical life extension or whatever

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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It used to be that you could find an IPO underwriter after 100M in revenue and growing YoY above others in the competitive basket. I’m not sure that’s true anymore, I think you still need the revenue, but just need attention. everything else is just whatever because you can’t predict 10 year outcomes for any business at this point with any level of confidence, and there’s nothing to compare it to other than extremely…

I agree with you and I hope you are right.

>Offload a massive illiquid investment onto the public

Because this state seems like a very solvable problem: All you have to is not buy it

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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This is kind of a wild story. Sam Altman is openly flexing that he was able to skirt the rules and regulations by threatening economic damage to California. It's not even subtle anymore.

This reminds me of when the former CEO of Hyundai, Chung Mong-koo, went to prison for embezzlement. In just 3 years he was pardoned because the President of South Korea basically said, "we need you for the economy."

We're not even pretending that the government is in control anymore. It's just full on anarcho-capitalism on display.

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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This is kind of a wild story. Sam Altman is openly flexing that he was able to skirt the rules and regulations by threatening economic damage to California. It's not even subtle anymore. This reminds me of when the former CEO of Hyundai, Chung Mong-koo, went to prison for embezzlement. In just 3 years he was pardoned because the President of South Korea basically said, "we need you for the economy." We're not even pr…

Democracy lets us swap out our king and some of the nobles.

The dukes and earls are still essential to run the nation, and must be courted.

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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It used to be that you could find an IPO underwriter after 100M in revenue and growing YoY above others in the competitive basket. I’m not sure that’s true anymore, I think you still need the revenue, but just need attention. everything else is just whatever because you can’t predict 10 year outcomes for any business at this point with any level of confidence, and there’s nothing to compare it to other than extremely…

> "Offload a massive illiquid investment onto the public so that investors make their fund"

This is what it looks like to me. Crazy growth numbers to bump the valuation and public interest, go public, gradually let the company shift into irrelevancy after major owners have cashed out.

The smoke and mirrors part here is that no one except the AI research community knows what the ML/AI capabilities will look like in 5 years. What that means is that the general public is probably going to eat up this IPO. Probably a better move to hedge by buying Microsoft, but whatevs.

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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It used to be that you could find an IPO underwriter after 100M in revenue and growing YoY above others in the competitive basket. I’m not sure that’s true anymore, I think you still need the revenue, but just need attention. everything else is just whatever because you can’t predict 10 year outcomes for any business at this point with any level of confidence, and there’s nothing to compare it to other than extremely…

I agree with you and I hope you are right. >Offload a massive illiquid investment onto the public Because this state seems like a very solvable problem: All you have to is not buy it

ETFs like VOO will buy it eventually.

It started me wondering if theres an ETF that explicitly avoids the top 20 companies

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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I agree with you and I hope you are right. >Offload a massive illiquid investment onto the public Because this state seems like a very solvable problem: All you have to is not buy it

ETFs like VOO will buy it eventually. It started me wondering if theres an ETF that explicitly avoids the top 20 companies

Couldn't you set up some options to simulate that?

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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OpenAi managed to keep Microsoft as major shareholder. Looking at the speed of growth Nvidia and friends are growing, OpenAI is 1 click far to IPO and one more click to 10x after IPO then finally buy Nvidia when GPU market cools down.

Just sayin...

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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This is kind of a wild story. Sam Altman is openly flexing that he was able to skirt the rules and regulations by threatening economic damage to California. It's not even subtle anymore. This reminds me of when the former CEO of Hyundai, Chung Mong-koo, went to prison for embezzlement. In just 3 years he was pardoned because the President of South Korea basically said, "we need you for the economy." We're not even pr…

Can someone explain to me what Sam Altman is doing to be so far ahead of everyone else in terms of navigating these high stakes roles?

This happened at YC and a number of other places too, he goes into situations with nothing and comes out on top despite all odds.

Is he that skilled an operator, negotiator, or manipulator or something?

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