Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
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Re: Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
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Re: Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
#3There's nothing in it for Taiwan. This administration has made it clear they will not confront China over attack on Taiwan so they have no cards here.
Re: Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
#4There's nothing in it for Taiwan. This administration has made it clear they will not confront China over attack on Taiwan so they have no cards here.
The US will absolutely confront China over an attack on Taiwan just to secure its own processor supply chain. If production is moved to the US, then Taiwan can count on losing that US defense. Trump has undermined his own negotiation.
Re: Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
#5There's nothing in it for Taiwan. This administration has made it clear they will not confront China over attack on Taiwan so they have no cards here.
The US will absolutely confront China over an attack on Taiwan just to secure its own processor supply chain. If production is moved to the US, then Taiwan can count on losing that US defense. Trump has undermined his own negotiation.
"Confront" is very wide. If you mean that the US would go to war against the PRC then the answer is obviously "No".
Re: Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
#6There's nothing in it for Taiwan. This administration has made it clear they will not confront China over attack on Taiwan so they have no cards here.
The US will absolutely confront China over an attack on Taiwan just to secure its own processor supply chain. If production is moved to the US, then Taiwan can count on losing that US defense. Trump has undermined his own negotiation.
> "Trump has undermined his own negotiation."
It is baffling to me how often this happens, even for him.
Re: Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US will absolutely confront China over an attack on Taiwan just to secure its own processor supply chain. If production is moved to the US, then Taiwan can count on losing that US defense. Trump has undermined his own negotiation.
"Confront" is very wide. If you mean that the US would go to war against the PRC then the answer is obviously "No".
I don't think that's obvious. There's some thought that it may be best to confront China now before they become a superpower, because afterward it would be obviously "No." Taiwan is more critical than you may think. Both Japan and South Korea have assurances of US defense as part of our non-nuclear proliferation pact. If they see us drop the ball on Taiwan, then they know that assurance means nothing. North Korea also knows it can take more aggressive action once the US has revealed its hand. This is not a position the US wants to be in. In the end, I think the US would be forced to aid Taiwan against China much like it has been doing with the Ukraine against Russia. Which is one of the many reasons why the Ukraine is so important.
Re: Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Confront" is very wide. If you mean that the US would go to war against the PRC then the answer is obviously "No".
I don't think that's obvious. There's some thought that it may be best to confront China now before they become a superpower, because afterward it would be obviously "No." Taiwan is more critical than you may think. Both Japan and South Korea have assurances of US defense as part of our non-nuclear proliferation pact. If they see us drop the ball on Taiwan, then they know that assurance means nothing. North Korea als…
Well it is obvious. The US struggled against the PRC in the Korea War and that was when the PRC was at its weakest. Now any direct war betwen the PRC and the US would be unthinkable as that would be catastrophic for both sides and the world (and the PRC is stronger than the USSR ever was).
So there is a lot of rhetoric and strategic fuzziness in public statements but the US are not starting WWIII over Taiwan.
> US would be forced to aid Taiwan against China much like it has been doing with the Ukraine against Russia
Of course they would aid Taiwan and they do now. This is not the same at all.
Re: Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think that's obvious. There's some thought that it may be best to confront China now before they become a superpower, because afterward it would be obviously "No." Taiwan is more critical than you may think. Both Japan and South Korea have assurances of US defense as part of our non-nuclear proliferation pact. If they see us drop the ball on Taiwan, then they know that assurance means nothing. North Korea als…
Well it is obvious. The US struggled against the PRC in the Korea War and that was when the PRC was at its weakest. Now any direct war betwen the PRC and the US would be unthinkable as that would be catastrophic for both sides and the world (and the PRC is stronger than the USSR ever was). So there is a lot of rhetoric and strategic fuzziness in public statements but the US are not starting WWIII over Taiwan. > US wo…
I’m not talking about rhetorical support or diplomatic gestures. I’m talking about real aid - military, logistical, and strategic support in the face of actual Chinese aggression. If Japan and South Korea see that the US will not materially aid Taiwan’s defense, then the credibility of US security assurances collapses. That would effectively cede East Asia to China.
So - the US can't be seen as doing nothing because that has disastrous consequences. At the same time, as you point out, the US can't go all-out in defense of Taiwan for fear of igniting widespread conflict. The US needs to be very careful in how it responds.
Good thing this administration is renowned for subtlety and nuance! :)
Re: Taiwan rejects Trump's demand to shift 50% of chip manufacturing into US
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well it is obvious. The US struggled against the PRC in the Korea War and that was when the PRC was at its weakest. Now any direct war betwen the PRC and the US would be unthinkable as that would be catastrophic for both sides and the world (and the PRC is stronger than the USSR ever was). So there is a lot of rhetoric and strategic fuzziness in public statements but the US are not starting WWIII over Taiwan. > US wo…
I’m not talking about rhetorical support or diplomatic gestures. I’m talking about real aid - military, logistical, and strategic support in the face of actual Chinese aggression. If Japan and South Korea see that the US will not materially aid Taiwan’s defense, then the credibility of US security assurances collapses. That would effectively cede East Asia to China. So - the US can't be seen as doing nothing because…
> I’m talking about real aid - military, logistical, and strategic support
So do I.
> That would effectively cede East Asia to China.
Not at all. Taiwan is Chinese territory as recognised by everyone. The dispute is the continuation of the Chinese Civil War, i.e. which side controls Taiwan.
China has no expansionist views in East Asia, and the last occurence was when they invaded Korea in 1636 (taking into account that this was right after the Manchu seized control of the whole of China). In fact, the last invasion of East Asia (that continues to this day) was by the US...