ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
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#2This will never not be in the news, will it? I feel like it's been continuously for the past 10-15 years, under various names.
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#3I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#4I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.
Agreed. In this case, there needs to be some sort of 'privacy bill of rights'. Something fundamental where any law like this cannot be passed.
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#5I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.
The accepted solution is to have a constitution that says otherwise.
Which is a bit complicated here, as the EU has no real constitution and this 'law' (really a regulation) is a blatant violation of the constitutions of countries that did choose to establish secrecy of correspondence.
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#6This will never not be in the news, will it? I feel like it's been continuously for the past 10-15 years, under various names.
Just need to pass it once, unfortunately. And despite all the talk against it, they get a partial fresh start to the general public every time one of these is proposed.
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#7I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.
The accepted solution is to have a constitution that says otherwise. Which is a bit complicated here, as the EU has no real constitution and this 'law' (really a regulation) is a blatant violation of the constitutions of countries that did choose to establish secrecy of correspondence.
isn't constitution easily changed by parlament?
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#8This will never not be in the news, will it? I feel like it's been continuously for the past 10-15 years, under various names.
Honestly, I fully expect that the scanning method is already implemented and used. The US has intervened with some pretty deep surveillance in the past (ie. Canada Sihk killing) and doesn't seem to need permission to get it.
Sounds to me like the EU is looking to get a more formal approval to act on data they already have.
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#9I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.
I'm convinced the people suggesting this type of thing are influenced or even compromised by their constituent's enemies and NOT the result of poor education on the topic.
This policy for example would be most helpful to enemies to the EU. It would lower the cost of acquiring the data for China and Russia as it allows them to mass acquire data in transmission without incurring the cost of local operations. The easiest system in the world to hack is that of a policy maker.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
The accepted solution is to have a constitution that says otherwise. Which is a bit complicated here, as the EU has no real constitution and this 'law' (really a regulation) is a blatant violation of the constitutions of countries that did choose to establish secrecy of correspondence.
isn't constitution easily changed by parlament?
Usually not "easily". I know Germany requires 2/3 majority.