Ask HN: Is it still a developer's job market?

#1

Post by ShiningThrough » Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 6:39 PM UTC

Over the past two or so years, the developers job market has seemed quite hot. Looking through Stackoverflow and friends, Indeed and its competitors, the Board of Labor (US) statistics, etc. it looks like the job market for developers is still very much alive with a great deal of negotiating power on the side of said developers.

Does it still feel this way on the ground? For developers: do you still feel you can change jobs easily, pick whichever one you want, negotiate your salary easily, etc.? Recuiters and businesses, does it still feel hard to find even decent developers at market rates (not below, that's ridiculous)? Do you have to offer extra perqs, signing bonuses and such?

My personal experience in the NY Metro area says absolutely yes, but I'm wondering if others are seeing the same thing (both here in NY and elsewhere in the US.)

Re: Ask HN: Is it still a developer's job market?

#2

Post by toomuchtodo » Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 8:04 PM UTC

Chicago here. Devops/Sysadmin/Developer (.Net, Ruby, Python). I've been able to name my price for the last 3 years ($130K/year+), and still get opportunities several times a week from both recruiters and businesses direct.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still a developer's job market?

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Post by scottyallen » Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 8:28 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

Chicago here. Devops/Sysadmin/Developer (.Net, Ruby, Python). I've been able to name my price for the last 3 years ($130K/year+), and still get opportunities several times a week from both recruiters and businesses direct.

Contract or FTE?

Re: Ask HN: Is it still a developer's job market?

#4

Post by coryl » Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 10:39 PM UTC

If we look at the basic economics, I think the jobs demanded is growing faster than talent supplied. Talent also takes a long time to harness and develop.

Thus, it may technically be a developer's market forever.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still a developer's job market?

#5

Post by toomuchtodo » Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 5:21 AM UTC

scottyallen wrote: post #3

toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

Chicago here. Devops/Sysadmin/Developer (.Net, Ruby, Python). I've been able to name my price for the last 3 years ($130K/year+), and still get opportunities several times a week from both recruiters and businesses direct.

Contract or FTE?

FTE at the moment. Salary, full medial/dental/life insurance paid for by the company, 6 weeks paid vacation, flex time.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still a developer's job market?

#6

Post by uaflyer » Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 6:35 PM UTC

I believe the developer market is the hottest we have ever seen.

A friend is working as an RoR developer at $250/hr billable and all expenses paid. They are unable to get enough developer, which is expected to run for several years.

With the economy on the fritz, there are still always professional areas in demand. Because of the many economic forces of downsizing, both Enterprise and Startup are seeking the same resources as others are laid off.

Great thoughts, cheers

Re: Ask HN: Is it still a developer's job market?

#7

Post by toomuchtodo » Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 7:17 PM UTC

coryl wrote: post #4

If we look at the basic economics, I think the jobs demanded is growing faster than talent supplied. Talent also takes a long time to harness and develop. Thus, it may technically be a developer's market forever.

Agreed! This is not necessarily a bad thing.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still a developer's job market?

#8

Post by soneill » Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 7:34 PM UTC

I'm located in the South (New Orleans), and from a hiring perspective it seems like a bit of a buyer's market down here. When I've posted ads for developers, I've gotten a lot of replies, and I've been able to dictate contract terms pretty easily thus far. From what I've seen, there's really a firm/freelancer divide; firms are charging incredible fees and don't really move off them, but freelancers have been easier to negotiate with and get at market (or slightly below market) rates.

Frankly, I don't even talk to firms anymore. From what I've seen, their quality isn't any better, and their fees are so much higher it isn't even worth talking to them.