Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
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Re: Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
#2This shouldn't exist at all. But it probably beats it existing and being accountable to no one.
Re: Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
#3This shouldn't exist at all. But it probably beats it existing and being accountable to no one.
>This shouldn't exist at all
If you think copyrights should exist at all, website blocks must exist as well, otherwise copyrights become unenforceable. Blocking straightforwardly copyright infringement sites (eg. a site that streams full episodes of TV shows) is a pretty logical consequence of a government enforcing its copyright laws.
Re: Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
#4This shouldn't exist at all. But it probably beats it existing and being accountable to no one.
>This shouldn't exist at all If you think copyrights should exist at all, website blocks must exist as well, otherwise copyrights become unenforceable. Blocking straightforwardly copyright infringement sites (eg. a site that streams full episodes of TV shows) is a pretty logical consequence of a government enforcing its copyright laws.
I'd rather copyright be unenforceable then.
"Hide piracy web sites from mainstream search engines" is the extent of what I'm willing to tolerate. Tools that allow for blocking of arbitrary websites entirely should not exist at all.
Re: Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
#5This shouldn't exist at all. But it probably beats it existing and being accountable to no one.
>This shouldn't exist at all If you think copyrights should exist at all, website blocks must exist as well, otherwise copyrights become unenforceable. Blocking straightforwardly copyright infringement sites (eg. a site that streams full episodes of TV shows) is a pretty logical consequence of a government enforcing its copyright laws.
Actually the berne convention gives you right to sue in the jurisdiction where your rights are being violated.
Given there is some sort of fair use in most jurisidictions, and its compeltly with in even europeans rights to save entire movies for personal use, the parent comment to you is right. Tools exist for them to enforce them by going after the domain registrar or hosting provider.
All site blocking does is trample on rights over "alleged" infrignment.
Re: Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This shouldn't exist at all If you think copyrights should exist at all, website blocks must exist as well, otherwise copyrights become unenforceable. Blocking straightforwardly copyright infringement sites (eg. a site that streams full episodes of TV shows) is a pretty logical consequence of a government enforcing its copyright laws.
I'd rather copyright be unenforceable then. "Hide piracy web sites from mainstream search engines" is the extent of what I'm willing to tolerate. Tools that allow for blocking of arbitrary websites entirely should not exist at all.
>Tools that allow for blocking of arbitrary websites entirely should not exist at all.
Does this include websites for drugs, CSAM, human trafficking, or other criminal activity?
Re: Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
#7This shouldn't exist at all. But it probably beats it existing and being accountable to no one.
Unlikely. I suspect this will be a rubber stamp mill just like FISA in the United States.
Re: Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd rather copyright be unenforceable then. "Hide piracy web sites from mainstream search engines" is the extent of what I'm willing to tolerate. Tools that allow for blocking of arbitrary websites entirely should not exist at all.
>Tools that allow for blocking of arbitrary websites entirely should not exist at all. Does this include websites for drugs, CSAM, human trafficking, or other criminal activity?
Yes.
If those are real world criminal activities with real world impacts, you should go after the perpetrators instead of playing the shell game with websites.
You can't make violent criminals disappear by sweeping them under the rug.
Re: Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This shouldn't exist at all If you think copyrights should exist at all, website blocks must exist as well, otherwise copyrights become unenforceable. Blocking straightforwardly copyright infringement sites (eg. a site that streams full episodes of TV shows) is a pretty logical consequence of a government enforcing its copyright laws.
Actually the berne convention gives you right to sue in the jurisdiction where your rights are being violated. Given there is some sort of fair use in most jurisidictions, and its compeltly with in even europeans rights to save entire movies for personal use, the parent comment to you is right. Tools exist for them to enforce them by going after the domain registrar or hosting provider. All site blocking does is tram…
>Actually the berne convention gives you right to sue in the jurisdiction where your rights are being violated.
I don't get it, is your claim that the rightsholders can sue in German courts and get an injunction if they want sites blocked, or that site blocks shouldn't be needed at all because suing people (but not blocking the sites) is an adequate remedy for infringement?
> Tools exist for them to enforce them by going after the domain registrar or hosting provider.
What if the domain registrar or hosting provider is in another country? If some Chinese company is infringing on some German company's IP, is your response to tell them to sue them in China, rather than have the goods be blocked at the border?
>Given there is some sort of fair use in most jurisidictions, and its compeltly with in even europeans rights to save entire movies for personal use, the parent comment to you is right.
Unless there's some context that's missing from the article, the sites being blocked seems like they're straightforwardly committing copyright infringement. It's not like youtube-dl is being taken down or whatever. "movie streaming sites are fine because there's a tiny chance that it's used by someone who already owns the movie" seems like a flimsy excuse to allow such sites to continue operating.
Re: Germany's Copyright Clearing House now requires courts for website blocks
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Tools that allow for blocking of arbitrary websites entirely should not exist at all. Does this include websites for drugs, CSAM, human trafficking, or other criminal activity?
Yes. If those are real world criminal activities with real world impacts, you should go after the perpetrators instead of playing the shell game with websites. You can't make violent criminals disappear by sweeping them under the rug.
Isn't that kind of like saying "it's fine to have hit-for-hire ads in newspaper classifieds[1], because if hit-for-hire is really a problem they can just go after the hitmen/clients?". I think most people wouldn't tolerate criminal activity being advertised in the open, even though they know forcing such activity to go underground wouldn't prevent the criminal activity from happening.
[1] ignoring how you'd anonymously place/respond to the ads