Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal
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Re: Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal
#2At this point I think that this kind of tracking should be forbidden by law.
People should not have an option to accept "being spied at all times on their personal behavior". It is creepy, it is dangerous and it is inhuman.
The exceptions should be the ones that currently already exist in GDPR. Financial institutions can use data to track fraud, law enforcement can use data from ongoing criminal cases, etc.
To have an option "to be spied" is a dystopian result of the lawlessness and bad faith on the Internet.
Re: Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal
#3At this point I think that this kind of tracking should be forbidden by law. People should not have an option to accept "being spied at all times on their personal behavior". It is creepy, it is dangerous and it is inhuman. The exceptions should be the ones that currently already exist in GDPR. Financial institutions can use data to track fraud, law enforcement can use data from ongoing criminal cases, etc. To have a…
This!
What benefit does any of this current system provide us anyway?
Re: Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal
#4Absolutely crazy interpretation:
"At the same time, only 1-7% of all users want to be tracked for online advertisement if asked openly. However, "pay or okay" gets 99.9% of users to agree to online tracking. If more than 90% of users do not get what they genuinely want, we have everything but a "genuine" choice."
If I got to the shop and don't want to buy the product I should just get it for free, because that is what I genuinely want? Genuine choice = I get to choose exactly what I want, always?
Edit, because people seem to miss the point: Just because populist politicians want to legally restrict business from offering a choice does not mean that a "genuine" choice is not presented.
Re: Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal
#5Absolutely crazy interpretation: "At the same time, only 1-7% of all users want to be tracked for online advertisement if asked openly. However, "pay or okay" gets 99.9% of users to agree to online tracking. If more than 90% of users do not get what they genuinely want, we have everything but a "genuine" choice." If I got to the shop and don't want to buy the product I should just get it for free, because that is wha…
Tracking is not payment nor is the company entitled to track people. Der Standard is free to ask for money. They are not free to make tracking condition of a service.
Re: Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal
#6Absolutely crazy interpretation: "At the same time, only 1-7% of all users want to be tracked for online advertisement if asked openly. However, "pay or okay" gets 99.9% of users to agree to online tracking. If more than 90% of users do not get what they genuinely want, we have everything but a "genuine" choice." If I got to the shop and don't want to buy the product I should just get it for free, because that is wha…
The law says that personal data is not a valid form of payment. Businesses have to adjust their business models accordingly.
Re: Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal
#7At this point I think that this kind of tracking should be forbidden by law. People should not have an option to accept "being spied at all times on their personal behavior". It is creepy, it is dangerous and it is inhuman. The exceptions should be the ones that currently already exist in GDPR. Financial institutions can use data to track fraud, law enforcement can use data from ongoing criminal cases, etc. To have a…
This! What benefit does any of this current system provide us anyway?
Devil's Advocate? It pays for the services we use for free.
Re: Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal
#8Absolutely crazy interpretation: "At the same time, only 1-7% of all users want to be tracked for online advertisement if asked openly. However, "pay or okay" gets 99.9% of users to agree to online tracking. If more than 90% of users do not get what they genuinely want, we have everything but a "genuine" choice." If I got to the shop and don't want to buy the product I should just get it for free, because that is wha…
The law says that personal data is not a valid form of payment. Businesses have to adjust their business models accordingly.
Isn't offering paid access exactly that? Or what do you have in mind?
Re: Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
The law says that personal data is not a valid form of payment. Businesses have to adjust their business models accordingly.
Isn't offering paid access exactly that? Or what do you have in mind?
Paid access is okay, so is showing advertising, and even requiring that you pay to access a service (they don’t have to give it away for free). What isn’t okay is requiring either paying or selling your data (selling away privacy) for advertising.
So yes businesses are doing something okay by offering a paid version, but it doesn’t matter if they’re saying “pay or let us sell your data” as the latter is illegal.