What is Realtalk’s relationship to AI? (2024)
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What is Realtalk’s relationship to AI? (2024)
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#4I mean even for something that is in theory fully understandable like the linux kernel it is not feasible to actually read the source before using it.
To me this really makes no sense. Even for traditional programming we only have so powerful systems because we use a layered approach. You can look into these layers and understand them but it is totally out of scope for a single human being.
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#5One of the challenges I found when I played with RealTalk is interoperability. The aim is to use the "spacial layer" to bootstrap people's intuitions on how programs should work, and interact with the world. It's really cool when this works. But key intuitions about how things interact when combined with each other, only work if the objects have been programmed to be compatible. A balloon wants to "pop if it comes into contact with anything sharp". A cactus wants to say "I am sharp". But if someone else has programmed a needle card to say "I am pointy", then it won't interact with the balloon in a satisfying way. Or, to use one of Dynamicland's favorite examples: say I have an interactive chart which shows populations of different countries when I place the "Mexico card" into the filter spot. What do you think should happen if I put a card showing the Mexican flag in that same spot, or some other card which just says the string "Mexico" on it? Wouldn't it be better if their interaction "just works"?
Visual LLMs can aid with this. Even a thin layer which can assign tags or answer binary questions about objects could be used to make programs massively more interoperable.
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#6thanks for sharing this, seems like a very idealistic project, had not heard of Bret nor dynamicland before.
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#7> we aim for a computing system that is fully visible and understandable top-to-bottom I mean even for something that is in theory fully understandable like the linux kernel it is not feasible to actually read the source before using it. To me this really makes no sense. Even for traditional programming we only have so powerful systems because we use a layered approach. You can look into these layers and understand t…
I believe this is the crux of what the author is getting at: LLMs are, by their very nature, a black box that cannot ever be understood. You will never understand how an LLM reached its output, because their innate design prohibits that possibility from ever manifesting. These are token prediction machines whose underlying logic would take mathematicians decades to reverse engineer even a single query, by design.
I believe that’s what the author was getting at. As we can never understand LLMs in how they reached their output, we cannot rely on them as trustworthy agents of compute or knowledge. Just like we would not trust a human who gives a correct answer much of the time but can never explain how they knew that answer or how they reached that conclusion, so should we not trust LLMs in that same capacity.
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#8thanks for sharing this, seems like a very idealistic project, had not heard of Bret nor dynamicland before.
Inventing on Principle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUv66718DII
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#10> we aim for a computing system that is fully visible and understandable top-to-bottom I mean even for something that is in theory fully understandable like the linux kernel it is not feasible to actually read the source before using it. To me this really makes no sense. Even for traditional programming we only have so powerful systems because we use a layered approach. You can look into these layers and understand t…