Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
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Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#2Anthropic's cofounder, Ben Mann, downloaded million copies of books from Library Genesis in 2021, fully aware that the material was pirated.
Stealing is stealing. Let's stop with the double standards.
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#3Hopefully they were all good books at least.
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#4Anthropic's cofounder, Ben Mann, downloaded million copies of books from Library Genesis in 2021, fully aware that the material was pirated. Stealing is stealing. Let's stop with the double standards.
oh well, the product has a cute name and will make someone a billionaire, let's just give it the green light. who cares about copyright in the age of AI?
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#5Anthropic's cofounder, Ben Mann, downloaded million copies of books from Library Genesis in 2021, fully aware that the material was pirated. Stealing is stealing. Let's stop with the double standards.
At least most pirates just consume for personal use. Profiting from piracy is a whole other level beyond just pirating a book.
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#6Hopefully they were all good books at least.
they pirated the best ones, according to the authors
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#7These are the people shaping the future of AI? What happened to all the ethical values they love to preach about?
We've held China accountable for counterfeiting products for decades and regulated their exports. So why should Anthropic be allowed to export their products and services after engaging in the same illegal activity?
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#8Anthropic's cofounder, Ben Mann, downloaded million copies of books from Library Genesis in 2021, fully aware that the material was pirated. Stealing is stealing. Let's stop with the double standards.
At least most pirates just consume for personal use. Profiting from piracy is a whole other level beyond just pirating a book.
Someone on Twitter said: "Oh well, P2P mp3 downloads, although illegal, made contributions to the music industry"
That's not what's happening here. People weren't downloading music illegally and reselling it on Claude.ai. And while P2P networks led to some great tech, there's no solid proof they actually improved the music industry.
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#9Good, this is what Aaron Swartz was fighting for.
Against companies like Elsevier locking up the worlds knowledge.
Authors are no different to scientists, many had government funding at one point, and it's the publishing companies that got most of the sales.
You can disagree and think Aaron Swartz was evil, but you can't have both.
You can take what Anthropic have show you is possible and do this yourself now.
isohunt: freedom of information
Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge
#10Pirate and pay the fine is probably hell of a lot cheaper than individually buying all these books. I'm not saying this is justified, but what would you have done in their situation?
Sayi "they have the money" is not an argument. It's about the amount of effort that is needed to individually buy, scan, process millions of pages. If that's done for you, why re-do it all?