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Startup Equity 101

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Re: Startup Equity 101

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I wonder how much longer this logic can hold. I have equity in the startup I'm at. It's a very complex platform and in a niche / emerging market.

Yet could AI feasibly generate a similar (or better) app in a few years? It used to be unthinkable. Now, I'm not so sure.

The development cost of software could feasibly drop to negligible levels. It no longer seems like sci-fi, more and more it seems like the inevitable direction of travel.

What happens to my equity? Welp. Might not be great news.

Re: Startup Equity 101

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>AMT is a pretty complicated calculation

Actually, it is not. It only seems complicated because it is backed into after calculating the regular tax when you use the IRS tax forms. In other words, first you calculate ordinary tax, then you make plus/minus adjustments for the things that are different under AMT.

If there was a Form 1040-AMT which simply calculated the AMT the same way we calculate regular tax, you would see that it is actually simpler than ordinary tax. (depreciation is simpler, itemized deductions are simpler, personal exemptions for kids go away, the standard deduction is much higher, and so on).

If we did it the other way around - calculate AMT first, then make adjustments to back into ordinary tax, then you'd say ordinary tax is complicated.

Most people don't understand that under the TCJA temporary provisions enacted in 2017 and expiring in 2025, most of the changes just involved moving AMT provisions into the ordinary tax calculation.

Re: Startup Equity 101

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post #2

I wonder how much longer this logic can hold. I have equity in the startup I'm at. It's a very complex platform and in a niche / emerging market. Yet could AI feasibly generate a similar (or better) app in a few years? It used to be unthinkable. Now, I'm not so sure. The development cost of software could feasibly drop to negligible levels. It no longer seems like sci-fi, more and more it seems like the inevitable di…

Always treat startup equity as 0 until you've sold it.

Re: Startup Equity 101

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post #2

I wonder how much longer this logic can hold. I have equity in the startup I'm at. It's a very complex platform and in a niche / emerging market. Yet could AI feasibly generate a similar (or better) app in a few years? It used to be unthinkable. Now, I'm not so sure. The development cost of software could feasibly drop to negligible levels. It no longer seems like sci-fi, more and more it seems like the inevitable di…

There’s more to a successful business than masking an app.

A lot of acquisitions are made by companies that could re-build the acquired product themselves. They’re buying the business, brand, and customer base, not the app.

Re: Startup Equity 101

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At a startup where I've exercised 75% of my options because the company seems to be going to a direction where maybe it's public in a little while (and I've got some other investments which prevent me from being over-invested here). I also want to dump all of the shares as soon as they go public and I'm able (employee sale window-wise) as I anticipate that there'll be a pop followed by a drop. This is all anecdotal given what I've observed over the years. As a result of exercising everything early (back into the S&P) on I'll be able to get long-term capital gains which is a motivator.

So that all said I agree with the author's take of "maybe" exercising before an IPO is worth it. This is my first time in a role where I've actually got pre-IPO Options. My last role I joined right before the company went public. The agreement there was that I'll get x$ worth of shares where the quantity is determined by the price 3 months or so after the IPO. They went from >$100 per share to like $30 a share which coincided with when I was assigned my shares lol. Oh well.

Re: Startup Equity 101

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Unless you work in SV, I think the advice for the rest of us is: take equity/stocks/options as a lottery ticket. Very unlikely that you’ll cash something, therefore base compensation is king.

Re: Startup Equity 101

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>AMT is a pretty complicated calculation Actually, it is not. It only seems complicated because it is backed into after calculating the regular tax when you use the IRS tax forms. In other words, first you calculate ordinary tax, then you make plus/minus adjustments for the things that are different under AMT. If there was a Form 1040-AMT which simply calculated the AMT the same way we calculate regular tax, you woul…

I agree AMT itself is not a particularly complicated calculation. But I don't think that was really the point of that quoted statement. The complicated part is figuring out if and when AMT applies to you, and, essentially, for how long it can raise your taxes.

As you said, the tax code requires you to calculate your taxes twice - once using the "normal" rules, and another time using the AMT rules, and you pay whichever is higher. So, depending on your individual circumstances, it's non-trivial to know if AMT will apply to you when making particular money movements during the year. Also, if you have to pay AMT in year one, but then in year two the calculated AMT is below your normal tax calculation, you get a credit for the excess amount (i.e. amount over the normal tax from year 1) up to the delta between the normal tax and the AMT amount. In other words, AMT can often times just cause tax to be paid earlier, but the total amount of money (over years), ends up being the same. Of course, the time value of money comes into play - paying a tax earlier is losing money.

So, point being, there are complicated considerations to take into account.

Re: Startup Equity 101

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post #4
post #2

I wonder how much longer this logic can hold. I have equity in the startup I'm at. It's a very complex platform and in a niche / emerging market. Yet could AI feasibly generate a similar (or better) app in a few years? It used to be unthinkable. Now, I'm not so sure. The development cost of software could feasibly drop to negligible levels. It no longer seems like sci-fi, more and more it seems like the inevitable di…

Always treat startup equity as 0 until you've sold it.

Correct. The motivation for equity comp should be more of "I want to change the world" than the "I want big money". The odds are very against it.

Here's some older stats (2017) https://berkonomics.com/?p=2899

But searching, you'll find loads more studies on startup/angel/seed.

It's like, optimistically, 1/20

Re: Startup Equity 101

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One thing no one told me:

When you cofound a company, its not the equity percent, but who is in control that matters. If you have 40%, and they get 60%, but legally or otherwise (you are the face of the company), then you have control and the 40% is worth more than the 60.

If you leave early after cofounding a company, there is no saying what happens to you shares, and likely they will be diluted to almost nothing

Its all about control.

If you are an employee, either go for a company thats a few years from IPO, a generational startup, or consider the equity worth 0.

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