The Problem with Teens Isn't Smartphones–It's Their Families
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The Problem with Teens Isn't Smartphones–It's Their Families
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#2Why does the chart only include data from 2003, 2020, and 2023?
I am also curious about the mentioning of Indian males in the text alongside native American women, with the chart excluding Indian males, this is also somewhat confusing.
It is hard to get a sense of the actual data supporting the claims in the article.
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#3I disagree with the data premise that only suicide data is valid.
For example, one possibility is that we DO have mental health crisis in young population, but availability and proficiency of mental health today avoids the suicide scenario. Plus there are tremendous number of significant mental issues which might not result in that most drastic of outcomes. Not claiming that's the case, just that the very first paragraph of data selection feels massively arbitrary and hand-waved.
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#4First it was rock and roll, then video games, then cell phones. When all along it’s been lack of mental health care in general. This shouldn’t be a surprise.
Re: The Problem with Teens Isn't Smartphones–It's Their Families
#5I think that the example our generation sets, is pretty important.
> "What you do speaks so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying."
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
For example, I know that I can get fairly cranky about ageism in tech, but I also understand where some of it comes from. My generation has been a pretty big dumpster fire, when it comes to examples. We're the Gordon Gecko "Greed is Good" generation. Our kids kind of took the brunt of it, and, in my opinion, the world is on fire, basically due to our generation's selfishness (and we're not done, yet).
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#6I think the core observation makes intuitive sense. But that's not the same thing as it being true.
These issues are too subtle, complicated, and distributed for current social science tools. I kind of think the whole idea of science being able to improve societal well-being beyond the basics is misguided at this point.
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#7I think that the example our generation sets, is pretty important. > "What you do speaks so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying." -Ralph Waldo Emerson For example, I know that I can get fairly cranky about ageism in tech, but I also understand where some of it comes from. My generation has been a pretty big dumpster fire, when it comes to examples. We're the Gordon Gecko "Greed is Good" generation. Our kids kind…
Sadly, looking back through history you'll see that every generation is the "greed is good" generation.
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#8Why does the chart only include data from 2003, 2020, and 2023? I am also curious about the mentioning of Indian males in the text alongside native American women, with the chart excluding Indian males, this is also somewhat confusing. It is hard to get a sense of the actual data supporting the claims in the article.
Yeah, this is more journalism than science.
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#9I think that the example our generation sets, is pretty important. > "What you do speaks so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying." -Ralph Waldo Emerson For example, I know that I can get fairly cranky about ageism in tech, but I also understand where some of it comes from. My generation has been a pretty big dumpster fire, when it comes to examples. We're the Gordon Gecko "Greed is Good" generation. Our kids kind…
Sadly, looking back through history you'll see that every generation is the "greed is good" generation.
I do not think that is true.
While there are always greedy and selfish people, celebrating greed was new.
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#10I think they leave out a lot of evidence, like rates of bullying-and getting bullied, being dramatically higher with cell phones. I'm not convinced that one correlation being murky == teen social media and smartphones are not a problem at all.