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Canada votes for Mark Carney as prime minister

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Re: Canada votes for Mark Carney as prime minister

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One of the cool things about how Canada conducts its elections is that it's still hand-counted paper ballots. Other levels of government sometimes use machines to lower costs, but federal elections remain old-school. Votes are physical objects that can be counted and re-counted as needed, reducing the risk of fraud. The count is still done quickly, with a government declared before the day is done. At the time of writing, only a few seats remain up in the air.

Re: Canada votes for Mark Carney as prime minister

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The results achieved by the policies of the liberal party of Canada have been disastrous in the past decade. I can’t imagine people voted for them again. It’s counterintuitive.

What’s the reason people vote for those outcomes?

I know trump played a role, but it’s hard to believe that he reversed the outcome so drastically.

I think the conservatives in Canada don’t have strong leaders. You couldn’t have a better hand.

Re: Canada votes for Mark Carney as prime minister

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One of the cool things about how Canada conducts its elections is that it's still hand-counted paper ballots. Other levels of government sometimes use machines to lower costs, but federal elections remain old-school. Votes are physical objects that can be counted and re-counted as needed, reducing the risk of fraud. The count is still done quickly, with a government declared before the day is done. At the time of wri…

This is true. I would love to read more about the mechanics of the vote count ... it could do a lot perhaps to reduce the anger over discussions of vote counting in that other country ... one of the things Canada gets right.

Re: Canada votes for Mark Carney as prime minister

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post #4

The results achieved by the policies of the liberal party of Canada have been disastrous in the past decade. I can’t imagine people voted for them again. It’s counterintuitive. What’s the reason people vote for those outcomes? I know trump played a role, but it’s hard to believe that he reversed the outcome so drastically. I think the conservatives in Canada don’t have strong leaders. You couldn’t have a better hand.

The problem is conservative policy makes those same problems worse.

Re: Canada votes for Mark Carney as prime minister

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post #3

One of the cool things about how Canada conducts its elections is that it's still hand-counted paper ballots. Other levels of government sometimes use machines to lower costs, but federal elections remain old-school. Votes are physical objects that can be counted and re-counted as needed, reducing the risk of fraud. The count is still done quickly, with a government declared before the day is done. At the time of wri…

This is true. I would love to read more about the mechanics of the vote count ... it could do a lot perhaps to reduce the anger over discussions of vote counting in that other country ... one of the things Canada gets right.

That other country also has paper ballots. A bunch of people decided to count the ones in Arizona by hand after 2020. They found that the machines were accurate. The only reason people got angry was because one candidate decided to be the sorest loser of all time. I don't see how counting by hand would have made a difference. It was never about facts.

Re: Canada votes for Mark Carney as prime minister

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The results achieved by the policies of the liberal party of Canada have been disastrous in the past decade. I can’t imagine people voted for them again. It’s counterintuitive. What’s the reason people vote for those outcomes? I know trump played a role, but it’s hard to believe that he reversed the outcome so drastically. I think the conservatives in Canada don’t have strong leaders. You couldn’t have a better hand.

The problem is conservative policy makes those same problems worse.

No, the curves were good until the end of the last conservative government. They went down around 2014.

Lower oil prices might have contributed, but only to an extent.

Conservatives leadership in Canada is weak. PP is just not sufficiently smart and capable for this position, listening to some of his speeches.

Re: Canada votes for Mark Carney as prime minister

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The results achieved by the policies of the liberal party of Canada have been disastrous in the past decade. I can’t imagine people voted for them again. It’s counterintuitive. What’s the reason people vote for those outcomes? I know trump played a role, but it’s hard to believe that he reversed the outcome so drastically. I think the conservatives in Canada don’t have strong leaders. You couldn’t have a better hand.

I can believe Trump changed it this drastically.

He was talking about annexing the country! His post on election day was full on syphillitic mad-king stuff, asking Canada to vote for him!

I could go on, a long list of stuff that would have been considered implausible in a comic book satire only a few years ago.

Re: Canada votes for Mark Carney as prime minister

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The results achieved by the policies of the liberal party of Canada have been disastrous in the past decade. I can’t imagine people voted for them again. It’s counterintuitive. What’s the reason people vote for those outcomes? I know trump played a role, but it’s hard to believe that he reversed the outcome so drastically. I think the conservatives in Canada don’t have strong leaders. You couldn’t have a better hand.

They overfit to kicking Trudeau out, and were essentially successful, he left in complete humiliation. But then they didn't have much to fall back on. The liberals adopted much of the conservatives policies and / or there was no difference between them anyway.

In some sense the conservatives were effective at changing the narrative, they just weren't rewarded for it with the opportunity to form government.

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