Choviva: Chocolate replacement with less CO2 emissions
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#2This is classic deck-chair reorg, instead of actually helping the environment.
China outputs gigatons of coal smoke. The US ships goods by individual trucks that could travel by train for a fraction of the fuel usage. We dispose of millions of plastic, floating pieces of trash in our oceans.
But if we slightly decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar, we'll be OK.
I use a stainless steel straw, so I'm doing my part!
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#3Interesting that humanity comes up with stuff like this in times where shipping is cheapest. Wouldn't this have been much more impactful in the 19th century or so when getting chocolate was more expensive than now? Or is the process that hard that it can be only done with modern technology?
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#4> Here’s what we’ve found out: It’s not about the cocoa-beans, but about the way they are treated during the manufacturing process.
I eat a lot of high end single origin chocolate bars, and I simply don’t believe this. Two bars from the same brand at the same percentage of cocoa content using different beans taste completely different. In exactly the same way as wine or coffee. It’s one of the most interesting parts of eating good chocolate. I just don’t believe this approach will ever replace my chocolate consumption, but may have a shot at the larger market of bad chocolate bars.
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#5I used to watch sci-fi films and think: "well this isn't realistic, people simply wouldn't accept eating Soylent Green or a nutrient paste ration"
Now I realise that these things will come to us branded up as desirable and high-status. It isn't ultra-processed pea protein, this is a 'vegan steak'
Human beings evolved to eat whole foods. If you're going to eat something else, you better be very, very sure about the long-term effects.
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#6This immediately reminded me the episode from Friends about Mockolate - is just me?
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#7I see why they're leaning into the environmental angle, but I think they're better off marketing their product as upscale, better than regular chocolate.
They should be selling upscale, luxury-priced high-end "chocolate" bars, doing taste tests against fancy brands.
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#8Interesting that humanity comes up with stuff like this in times where shipping is cheapest. Wouldn't this have been much more impactful in the 19th century or so when getting chocolate was more expensive than now? Or is the process that hard that it can be only done with modern technology?
> Interesting that humanity comes up with stuff like this in times where shipping is cheapest.
Go look at the news. A trade war just started, and tariffs are going to drive up the cost of chocolate in the US.
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#9This is classic deck-chair reorg, instead of actually helping the environment. China outputs gigatons of coal smoke. The US ships goods by individual trucks that could travel by train for a fraction of the fuel usage. We dispose of millions of plastic, floating pieces of trash in our oceans. But if we slightly decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar, we'll be OK. I use a stainless steel straw, so I'm doing m…
These types of arguments are so tiresome. As if the only thing anyone on the entire planet is trying to do is decrease the carbon footprint of a Hershey's bar. If we wait around for a the panacea of solutions, we'll be wiped out as a species well before that solution hits (sadly human extinction seems to be that panacea solution).
Instead, people do whatever they can where they can. I can choose to use a stainless steel straw, buy products with recyclable packaging not from single use plastics. I can choose to buy products from companies that spend time and effort to do what they can do to also have less of an environmental impact. It really doesn't bother me to put in that effort, and my effort damn sure has no affect on you. So pound sand for telling me what I can and cannot do because you disagree.
You personally cannot tell MAGA that climate change is not a hoax where they will suddenly listen. You cannot tell current POTUS that action needs to be taken when he's already undone legislation that would have been much more effecting than what type of straws people use. So you go ahead and drive yourself crazy and continue to belittle people that do whatever they can where they can, because you just come across at one of those people, and are promptly ignored
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#10I see why they're leaning into the environmental angle, but I think they're better off marketing their product as upscale, better than regular chocolate. They should be selling upscale, luxury-priced high-end "chocolate" bars, doing taste tests against fancy brands.
I don't think you can sell a luxury brand without a luxury story behind it. The creation of a substitute good in times of high cacao prices is the opposite of a luxury.