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The College-Cost Calamity

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Fewer jobs, more education required to fill those positions, education becoming more expensive and debt unavoidable. What will make this bubble finally burst?

I can't remember if it was here, or Reddit that someone posted about a few economists speculating that if we go through a second recession it will be the result of high unemployment, even higher underemployment, and obscene amounts of the un/underemployed paying astronomical student loan debts.

If anything, in my opinion it's that very speculation coming to life that will do it.

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I have a hard time imaging a world is with a huge crash in education. Does this mean fewer colleges and more students going into trades? Radically lower tuition? Fewer tenured professors, and more adjuncts and visiting professors with three-year contracts?

Speaking of the latter, there is the disruption of online course offerings. These are creeping in from the bottom, replacing introductory lectures, and working their way up. Online classes allow schools to take the already squeezed adjuncts and grad students and pay them even less to help grade/moderate the online variants. Meanwhile eating away at the consensus that education is a series of seminars amongst the wise.

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Fewer jobs, more education required to fill those positions, education becoming more expensive and debt unavoidable. What will make this bubble finally burst?

>Fewer jobs, more education required to fill those positions

I'm not seeing this. I mean, fewer jobs, sure, but If by education, you mean 'formal education' I mean, other than as a class marker (try getting a barista job post-college age without a degree) a huge number of employed people I know do not have a degree relivant to their career. Perhaps most. I know a fair number of people in my industry (including myself) without degrees at all.

I mean, as a class marker it shouldn't be underestimated, but as for actual instruction? a degree in history... does not teach you skills that make you significantly more employable.

Really, I think that article's complaint (that is, colleges are spending on classing the place up rather than on instruction) is a good one, but I think it's unavoidable. I mean, right now education is a class marker, and that is the problem. We don't have enough class-based jobs for all the people graduating with arts degrees.

In many ways, I think this is good; Maybe people will be judged more on merit than on familial background. Or maybe some other proxy for class will come into vouge.

Either way, the real problem isn't education, its that we haven't figured out enough jobs for people that need to be told what to do.

Personally? I think the next frontier is monitizing more of traditional 'women's work' - I mean, I know a lot of couples where both people earn six figures (and both work brutal hours) - sometimes those people even have kids. Usually it's the woman who is expected to do most of the traditional women's work while still working, but whichever way you slice it, it's crazy to work a bunch of hours a week outside the house for really good pay, then come home and spend a bunch more hours doing work the unemployed person down the way would be happy to do for cheap. Why not monitize that?

I mean, in my price range, though, there's not a lot of room for a middleman. Sure, people even in silicon valley are happy to work for those rates, but if you have a middleman, you essentially double those numbers. People like me? we don't care; we prefer going direct anyhow. But most people feel more comfortable with the legitimacy of a middleman.

There's a business idea; a low-overhead domestic services agency. You'll either be able to lower prices to end-customers, vastly expanding your customer base, or pay your workers more, which likely will net you better service.

That, and I think many people need to be told what to do not because they can't run a business but because they have been told it is hard. And some of it, especially when you don't have the cash for an accountant, really is hard. So I think there is a lot of room for low-cost franchise operations that take the accounting/legal bs out of starting a company.

Heck, some kind of 'ycombinator for lifestyle businesses' would be pretty great, though the business model isn't really there. I guess the business model is that if someone comes up with a business model you franchise it out.

Yeah, that's a pretty good idea, I think. Some kind of incubator for new service businesses; instead of exiting through VC, you turn the successful ones into franchises.

(It's possible that 'service' isn't the right sector, and we need to come up with an entirely new means of economic production... but I'm not the man to make that jump, and I think there is still a lot of room for 'service' industry growth, especially now while labour is inexpensive.)

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I have a hard time imaging a world is with a huge crash in education. Does this mean fewer colleges and more students going into trades? Radically lower tuition? Fewer tenured professors, and more adjuncts and visiting professors with three-year contracts? Speaking of the latter, there is the disruption of online course offerings. These are creeping in from the bottom, replacing introductory lectures, and working the…

People also had a hard time imagining a world with a huge crash in housing.

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Fewer jobs, more education required to fill those positions, education becoming more expensive and debt unavoidable. What will make this bubble finally burst?

>Fewer jobs, more education required to fill those positions I'm not seeing this. I mean, fewer jobs, sure, but If by education, you mean 'formal education' I mean, other than as a class marker (try getting a barista job post-college age without a degree) a huge number of employed people I know do not have a degree relivant to their career. Perhaps most. I know a fair number of people in my industry (including myself…

Outside of startups and operations, college degrees still seem to be pretty mandatory, and even more so outside the US.

I suspect, for instance, a rural Idaho government agency hiring a sysadmin will expect a 2 or 4 year degree.

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The craziest part, IMO, is that I had to make a decision whether or not to take on $175,000 in debt (I went to RIT, it costs $44,000 per year) when I was 18 years old and had never handled more than $300. Sure! Sign me up! I couldn't even imagine what that much money would look like, let alone feel like to pay back- at that time, it was as equally mysterious as $10,000 or $1,000,000.

Luckily, I left after my 2nd year and only walked away with $50k in student loans. It was one of the best decisions I've ever made.

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>Fewer jobs, more education required to fill those positions I'm not seeing this. I mean, fewer jobs, sure, but If by education, you mean 'formal education' I mean, other than as a class marker (try getting a barista job post-college age without a degree) a huge number of employed people I know do not have a degree relivant to their career. Perhaps most. I know a fair number of people in my industry (including myself…

Outside of startups and operations, college degrees still seem to be pretty mandatory, and even more so outside the US. I suspect, for instance, a rural Idaho government agency hiring a sysadmin will expect a 2 or 4 year degree.

Rural California government agencies don't... I know that from experience.

I mean, outside of the computer industry, you may very well be correct, I don't know. But for SysAdmins, at least? even in government, a degree is demonstrably not required if you have the requisite experience and knowledge.

Hell, 30 years ago when my dad got a computer operator job at the university of california, such things weren't required. I mean, he ended up getting a degree, and it no doubt helped make the jump from SysAdmin to IT manager, but it wasn't required for the SysAdmin position.

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