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Bocoup Is Now Worker-Owned

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Re: Bocoup Is Now Worker-Owned

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Cool. What do financials/shares look like? How does the company grow from just 6-8 people? I'm curious because this is what I've always wanted to start. I know that worker-owner/member orgs can exist at scale as well (Mondragon is one example) but the internals and growth is fascinating to me.

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What are some success stories of coops? I’m thinking United , REI , Winco. I’m curious why aren’t there more and why they generally have mediocre success if not failure

Don't forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation!

(which happens to be featured somewhat prominently in Kim Stanley Robinson novel 'The Ministry For The Future', which I am currently working my way through, and recommend for anyone who (a) likes coops and (b) is feeling overwhelmed by humanity's current situation)

Re: Bocoup Is Now Worker-Owned

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What are some success stories of coops? I’m thinking United , REI , Winco. I’m curious why aren’t there more and why they generally have mediocre success if not failure

Coops are basically geared toward mediocre success - because there's really no pressure to risk aiming for amazing/startup-style success.

Ownership structure doesn't change many of the business risks, but coops can avoid the "expand or die" that sometimes normal companies experience.

The largest coops are mutuals (think: insurance) and banks (think: credit union).

Others exist in farmer's coops (Land o' Lakes, Dairy Farmers of America, etc).

https://ncbaclusa.coop/blog/2022-world-cooperative-monitor-r...

The hardest part is converting an existing corporation into a coop.

The vast majority of coops are, like credit unions, relatively small and local. Instead of expanding to new areas, they often "split" into new areas, so you'd expect them to remain just below the noise threshold of the large multinationals.

Re: Bocoup Is Now Worker-Owned

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Cool. What do financials/shares look like? How does the company grow from just 6-8 people? I'm curious because this is what I've always wanted to start. I know that worker-owner/member orgs can exist at scale as well (Mondragon is one example) but the internals and growth is fascinating to me.

Credit unions are probably a pretty good place to start, as they're cooperative by nature but also operate similar to a normal banking corporation (expansion, etc).

Re: Bocoup Is Now Worker-Owned

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Browsing the barebones site and reading the Code of Conduct, I get the sense that political activism is a higher priority than engineering. There's a dedicated BLM page, where they honor George Floyd, but not the woman who was pistol-whipped by Floyd and his crew during an armed robbery, while the woman was home alone with her children.[1] I am aware that this is wrongthink.

Americans rejected this worldview in the recent presidential election. While I have no issue with people advocating for their flavor of justice, I can't imagine this being the most savvy business decision in the current climate. I certainly would not be interested in hiring or working with an agency for whom caustic ideology appears to be more important than any other concern. Their hostility towards people with my skin color is palpable.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/george...

Re: Bocoup Is Now Worker-Owned

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What are some success stories of coops? I’m thinking United , REI , Winco. I’m curious why aren’t there more and why they generally have mediocre success if not failure

US economic policy is not very favorable to co-ops.

Cooperatives face complex tax structures that can be less advantageous compared to traditional corporations. Unlike C-corporations, which have clear tax advantages and deductions, cooperatives must navigate unique tax rules, such as Subchapter T of the IRS code, which governs patronage refunds.

The tax code heavily favors investor-owned firms through incentives such as lower capital gains taxes and deductions for stock-based compensation, which cooperatives do not benefit from in the same way.

Beyond that, banks and financial institutions are often hesitant to lend to cooperatives, as their ownership structure does not provide the same level of collateral or control as investor-owned firms. Government-backed loans and grants that support small businesses often don't adequately accommodate cooperatives. For instance, SBA loan programs historically have been difficult for cooperatives to access.

And because co-ops are a niche business structure, many federal and state laws are designed with traditional corporate structures in mind, making it difficult for cooperatives to navigate compliance requirements. Cooperative incorporation laws vary by state, leading to inconsistent legal protections and administrative burdens.

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