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My Google HR Response

#1
(throwaway account) Reply following approach by Google (due to Stackoverflow etc), then rejection on sending CV.

Thoughts? Do you hire non-degree holders?

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Hi (HR person),

Thank you for your reply. I had to think about this for a bit, as Google is the first company/client I have ever had ask about my degree (or lack of).

Unlike other disciplines like mechanical engineering or architecture, we programmers can start at an early age building virtual things, exploring complexity and simplicity. Many of us spend a considerable amount of time studying the science, rather than just coding.

I have had a lot of exposure to CS graduates over the past year, at a highly regarded UK university. Of those I encountered, most of students were doing it because they were bright and didn't know what to do with themselves. Some "downgraded" (as they saw it) from maths or physics because it was harder than they thought. Of the remainder, half were ego driven coders and half were actually any good. The very few that were good nearly dropped out because they were not excited enough (and some of them even ended up coding cool things alongside me).

You can't build amazing things without science, and the Internet means I don't require a degree to learn the science to build cool things. I can do that on my PC, right here, very cheaply and efficiently.

I do accept that the cost of exploring what excites you most without the formal structure of a degree has its costs (such as being filtered out of Google's hiring process) ... despite this I wouldn't go back and earn a degree if I had a time machine, so that's a cost I happily accept.

One of the beautiful things about programming is its immediate availability to all who want to learn ... even those who decide to do things differently.

I hope Google would in future take a longer look at people learning on their own steam, in their own time and out of love.

Regardless, I've very much enjoyed talking with you and I hope you find great candidates for the positions.

Thank you for your time! (me)

Re: My Google HR Response

#3
See the 'lying' thread. Yes folks hire non-degree holders, Google doesn't. When I was working there and talking/dealing with HR and the Google Hiring process I once tried to refer a non-degreed friend but they were having nothing of it.

Basically at the time (2007 - 2009) they had a very firm "No degree, no job." And a more insidious, "if you get acquihired in and the job you are in would normally fall under this rule, and you don't have a degree, we manage you out of the company."

Given the size of some of their later acquistions I don't know if they could stick with that model or not.

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#4
post #3

See the 'lying' thread. Yes folks hire non-degree holders, Google doesn't. When I was working there and talking/dealing with HR and the Google Hiring process I once tried to refer a non-degreed friend but they were having nothing of it. Basically at the time (2007 - 2009) they had a very firm "No degree, no job." And a more insidious, "if you get acquihired in and the job you are in would normally fall under this rul…

Wow, "insidious" is right. That's pretty brutal given that you must have performed well up to the acquisition.

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#5
I don't know if this is really strictly true. There are a handful of people I know of who got hired at Google the "regular" way and they don't have CS degrees. One has an undergrad in Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Pure Math, although he's worked as a software developer basically his entire career. I know people with Computer Engineering degrees who work there. And of course outside of core eng people are all over the place. Which is probably not relevant to your situation.

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post #3

See the 'lying' thread. Yes folks hire non-degree holders, Google doesn't. When I was working there and talking/dealing with HR and the Google Hiring process I once tried to refer a non-degreed friend but they were having nothing of it. Basically at the time (2007 - 2009) they had a very firm "No degree, no job." And a more insidious, "if you get acquihired in and the job you are in would normally fall under this rul…

They've loosened up a bit. I was acquihired as an engineer without a college degree. And thus far, I don't think I'm getting "managed out", but perhaps they're just doing a bad job of it.

That said, I don't know what they're doing for people who apply the "regular" way.

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post #3

See the 'lying' thread. Yes folks hire non-degree holders, Google doesn't. When I was working there and talking/dealing with HR and the Google Hiring process I once tried to refer a non-degreed friend but they were having nothing of it. Basically at the time (2007 - 2009) they had a very firm "No degree, no job." And a more insidious, "if you get acquihired in and the job you are in would normally fall under this rul…

They've loosened up a bit. I was acquihired as an engineer without a college degree. And thus far, I don't think I'm getting "managed out", but perhaps they're just doing a bad job of it. That said, I don't know what they're doing for people who apply the "regular" way.

Interesting stuff :) I'm glad things are going good for you. I could understand it more if I just fired off my CV to them, but Google approached me ... though I suspect they approach a lot of people ... a lot.

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#8

Note: Google approached me after seeing my stackoverflow account and other things on the Internet. After a very nice email chat, I sent my CV and got rejected due to no CS degree ...

Translation: Someone technical decided that they like your chops. Someone not-technical bounced you due to a checklist. If you held a degree in "Advanced Underwater Basketweaving", that would have been sufficient to tick off the "Has a degree" box.

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post #8

Note: Google approached me after seeing my stackoverflow account and other things on the Internet. After a very nice email chat, I sent my CV and got rejected due to no CS degree ...

Translation: Someone technical decided that they like your chops. Someone not-technical bounced you due to a checklist. If you held a degree in "Advanced Underwater Basketweaving", that would have been sufficient to tick off the "Has a degree" box.

Maybe, and that's OK. I made my choice wrt the degree. I have my ideas on if that's right or wrong, but other people's are interesting.

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#10
It's annoying that even if you have a degree in Theoretical Linguistics or something absurd like that, you can still get a software/hardware engineering job at Google. Google really need to think harder about their approach to hiring if they want to remain a powerhouse. What happens when, in the near future, the computer science graduating pool (i.e. the "bubble") becomes flooded with losers who don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to building a great product for the web or anything else?
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