Karol Herbst Steps Down as Nouveau Maintainer Due to Linux's Toxic Environment
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Re: Karol Herbst Steps Down as Nouveau Maintainer Due to Linux's Toxic Environment
#2Man steps back politely until he's able to politically grandstand about it - News at 11
Re: Karol Herbst Steps Down as Nouveau Maintainer Due to Linux's Toxic Environment
#3> The moment I made up my mind about this was reading the following words written by a maintainer within the kernel community:
> "we are the thin blue line"
> This isn't okay. This isn't creating an inclusive environment. This isn't okay with the current political situation especially in the US. A maintainer speaking those words can't be kept. No matter how important or critical or relevant they are. They need to be removed until they learn. Learn what those words mean for a lot of marginalized people. Learn about what horrors it evokes in their minds.
I opened the article relatively certain about the nature of the complaint. 100% confirmed.
Seriously? Really? It seems Herbst is the one that wants a non-inclusive environment (ie. exactly conforming to his personal political preferences). Additionally this looks like an excuse as he was already admittedly burned out.
In any case, good luck to Herbst in his future endeavors, hopefully he can develop a thicker skin.
Re: Karol Herbst Steps Down as Nouveau Maintainer Due to Linux's Toxic Environment
#4Asian man uses historical quote that is being abused by racists, white man steps back because the language threatens marginalized groups. I just can't take any of this seriously anymore.
Re: Karol Herbst Steps Down as Nouveau Maintainer Due to Linux's Toxic Environment
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Re: Karol Herbst Steps Down as Nouveau Maintainer Due to Linux's Toxic Environment
#7What's so wrong about the thin blue line statement? I didn't know about this phrase before so I read the wiki page. Isn't the usage correct? Kernel maintainers need to ensure the kernel code doesn't become a unmaintainable ball of mud.
Re: Karol Herbst Steps Down as Nouveau Maintainer Due to Linux's Toxic Environment
#8If the rule is you break it, you fix it, I don't see why it should be anything different for a multi-language project. If the feature makes technical sense and people want it, it should happen.
Re: Karol Herbst Steps Down as Nouveau Maintainer Due to Linux's Toxic Environment
#9Toxic? More like "not willing to walk on eggshells around a single guy who doesn't even come with a printed manual of all his sensibilities".
Not just that, he basically demanded that one of them has to go:
"A maintainer speaking those words can't be kept. No matter how important or critical or relevant they are. They need to be removed until they learn."
The word "crybully" comes to mind.
Re: Karol Herbst Steps Down as Nouveau Maintainer Due to Linux's Toxic Environment
#10https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43057687 ("Nouveau kernel maintainer steps down (freedesktop.org)", 12 comments)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43043312 ("We are the "thin blue line" that is trying to keep the code high quality (kernel.org)", 166 comments)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43036904 ("Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead (marcan.st)", 966 comments)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42926732 ("[flagged] Hector Martin: "Behold, a maintainer sabotaging the Rust for Linux project" (lwn.net)", 22 comments)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42932105 ("A Linux maintainer admitting to attempting to sabotage Rust for Linux project (treehouse.systems)", 14 comments)