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GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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> "What we need is a computer that isn’t labor-saving, but which increases the work for us to do." — John Cage

Arguably both are needed. The kind that replaces the mindless repetitive work (e.g. dishwasher, roomba) so we have more time to focus on the kind that lets us do more than before (e.g. an orbital satelite, 3D printer).

There are only 24 hours in a day and you can't do more without doing less first.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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> "What we need is a computer that isn’t labor-saving, but which increases the work for us to do." — John Cage Arguably both are needed. The kind that replaces the mindless repetitive work (e.g. dishwasher, roomba) so we have more time to focus on the kind that lets us do more than before (e.g. an orbital satelite, 3D printer). There are only 24 hours in a day and you can't do more without doing less first.

Inventions like the dishwasher for domestic use never really led to meaningful work reduction for the people (women) doing this kind of work.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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I'm what people who know me call a "creative person", but generative AI for images and especially music really is a terrific tool.

> What if the point of art is that we actually make it?

It seems the author's point is the struggle and effort is what makes it worthwhile, but I kind of disagree. I used to pour a ton of time, effort, and heart into making something I wanted to see or hear, but unfortunately the results weren't particularly memorable (for me or others). The effort seemed to erase a lot of the novelty and interest for me as well.

Gen AI has made creating a lot more enjoyable for me, even if much of it is curation of trial and error.

Most of the music I listen to in past year is created in Suno (my own), and it's a lot better than my musical efforts in the past.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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> Increases the work for us to do

This sounds like a video game to me, and we do have lots of them.

How should generated AI images be presented? I think of it as wandering in Borge's library of babel. Maybe it looks like Google's image search, or like Minecraft?

Unfortunately, current AI image generators aren't fast enough to do it interactively.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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> "What we need is a computer that isn’t labor-saving, but which increases the work for us to do." — John Cage Arguably both are needed. The kind that replaces the mindless repetitive work (e.g. dishwasher, roomba) so we have more time to focus on the kind that lets us do more than before (e.g. an orbital satelite, 3D printer). There are only 24 hours in a day and you can't do more without doing less first.

Inventions like the dishwasher for domestic use never really led to meaningful work reduction for the people (women) doing this kind of work.

It may not have reduced overall work, but certainly it reduced the amount of work they did washing dishes. That would allow them to do other things (or allow them to use more dishes.)

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> Increases the work for us to do This sounds like a video game to me, and we do have lots of them. How should generated AI images be presented? I think of it as wandering in Borge's library of babel. Maybe it looks like Google's image search, or like Minecraft? Unfortunately, current AI image generators aren't fast enough to do it interactively.

Some current gen ai can generate images, in real time, how that's not enough interactive ?

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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> "What we need is a computer that isn’t labor-saving, but which increases the work for us to do." — John Cage Arguably both are needed. The kind that replaces the mindless repetitive work (e.g. dishwasher, roomba) so we have more time to focus on the kind that lets us do more than before (e.g. an orbital satelite, 3D printer). There are only 24 hours in a day and you can't do more without doing less first.

Inventions like the dishwasher for domestic use never really led to meaningful work reduction for the people (women) doing this kind of work.

Seems like you can pretty easily use more dishes with less effort? If you end up spending more time on other chores, that's up to you.

Re: GenAI Art Is the Least Imaginative Use of AI Imaginable

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> Increases the work for us to do This sounds like a video game to me, and we do have lots of them. How should generated AI images be presented? I think of it as wandering in Borge's library of babel. Maybe it looks like Google's image search, or like Minecraft? Unfortunately, current AI image generators aren't fast enough to do it interactively.

Some current gen ai can generate images, in real time, how that's not enough interactive ?

Can they fill the screen with 20 variations nearly instantly? If so, I'd like to see that.
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