Here’s to the PHP Misfits
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Here’s to the PHP Misfits
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Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits
#2What I don't get about these "I get shit done with PHP so booya" posts is that people get shit done with better designed languages too. So where's the advantage?
IMO, PHP is only "magically productive" when you're starting out and banging out scripts over FTP on Shared Hosting with Apache/mod_php. Once you start running a "real app", with servers/deployment/nginx/php-fpm/frameworks, it requires the same amount of setup complexity as Rails/Django/etc.
Disclaimer: I write PHP for a living. Not a hater.
Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits
#3When you have more pride in your tools than in your craft, you're not doing it right.
Anyone who's been using PHP long enough to be proficient in it should move to a more robust toolset simply to get more done. To sneer on Python and Ruby as being elitist is just the sort of thing a self-proclaimed "PHP programmer" would do.
You shouldn't aspire to be an "X programmer", but a programmer period. Learn more tools, more techniques, even those outside your immediate comfort zone, and you will be able to improve in ways that being locked into a single way of thinking will never offer.
Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits
#4What I don't get about these "I get shit done with PHP so booya" posts is that people get shit done with better designed languages too. So where's the advantage? IMO, PHP is only "magically productive" when you're starting out and banging out scripts over FTP on Shared Hosting with Apache/mod_php. Once you start running a "real app", with servers/deployment/nginx/php-fpm/frameworks, it requires the same amount of set…
The advantage is that this guy, who otherwise wouldn't have been able to accomplish his goals, did. He did because PHP was accessible. And till other languages are as dead-simple to accomplish small-to-medium tasks, PHP will continue to have fans such as the OP.
Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits
#5When you have more pride in your tools than in your craft , you're not doing it right. Anyone who's been using PHP long enough to be proficient in it should move to a more robust toolset simply to get more done. To sneer on Python and Ruby as being elitist is just the sort of thing a self-proclaimed "PHP programmer" would do. You shouldn't aspire to be an "X programmer", but a programmer period. Learn more tools, mor…
Here's the thing: I'm not interested in being a 'programmer', I just want to build out my product ideas. And right now I do it with the language I know best: PHP.
Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits
#6What I don't get about these "I get shit done with PHP so booya" posts is that people get shit done with better designed languages too. So where's the advantage? IMO, PHP is only "magically productive" when you're starting out and banging out scripts over FTP on Shared Hosting with Apache/mod_php. Once you start running a "real app", with servers/deployment/nginx/php-fpm/frameworks, it requires the same amount of set…
The advantage is that this guy, who otherwise wouldn't have been able to accomplish his goals, did. He did because PHP was accessible. And till other languages are as dead-simple to accomplish small-to-medium tasks, PHP will continue to have fans such as the OP.
imho ruby is simpler than php.
Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits
#7When you have more pride in your tools than in your craft , you're not doing it right. Anyone who's been using PHP long enough to be proficient in it should move to a more robust toolset simply to get more done. To sneer on Python and Ruby as being elitist is just the sort of thing a self-proclaimed "PHP programmer" would do. You shouldn't aspire to be an "X programmer", but a programmer period. Learn more tools, mor…
Here's the thing: I'm not interested in being a 'programmer', I just want to build out my product ideas. And right now I do it with the language I know best: PHP.
Then why even bother listening to what people who do want to be programmers write about your tools?
Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits
#8Another "Look I can build websites with PHP!" post.
The biggest draw of PHP seems to be that there is a large quantity of (often bad) copy paste-able code out there on the internet.
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#9Disclaimer: I am a PHP programmer. I write PHP every day.
With that said, oh god please shut up already! This dick-waving is getting out of control. It has gotten to the point that people are writing these articles just because they know they will get hits.
PHP is a good tool. It's not the best tool, but it's good enough. Over time it will get better. It is what it is.
Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
The advantage is that this guy, who otherwise wouldn't have been able to accomplish his goals, did. He did because PHP was accessible. And till other languages are as dead-simple to accomplish small-to-medium tasks, PHP will continue to have fans such as the OP.
imho ruby is simpler than php.
Easier on eyes, more powerful? Surely. But can you just drop .erb files into a directory and turn on mod_ruby? That's the allure of PHP for so many.