Ease of maintenance is a feature
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Ease of maintenance is a feature
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Re: Ease of maintenance is a feature
#2Super true. One of the best tests of this is setting up a new laptop. Some of the best experiences are when you get a new laptop, and just clone the codebase and everything works as it did before, no special magic. Golang with vendored dependencies seems to be wonderful for this but I've had relatively decent experiences with newer java projects.
My worst experiences universally have always been python projects. I don't think I've had a single time where I cloned a python project and had it just work.
Beyond just the code, I've had lots of mixed experiences with CI/CD being smooth. I unfortunately don't think I've been in a single shop where deployments or ci have been a good experience. They often feel very fragile and undocumented and hard for newcomers.
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#3I like this. Couple things to add:
Fast setup and revision are important but incomplete list of maintenance tasks; are metrics/logs predictably named and accessed? Can you perform manual experimentation without hard-to-configure client (ir: hit the server with a browser or run a cli)?
Also, "cycle time" or "revision time" are soo important, but I havent found a good way to do that with AI model development :( any tips here?
Re: Ease of maintenance is a feature
#4Super true. One of the best tests of this is setting up a new laptop. Some of the best experiences are when you get a new laptop, and just clone the codebase and everything works as it did before, no special magic. Golang with vendored dependencies seems to be wonderful for this but I've had relatively decent experiences with newer java projects. My worst experiences universally have always been python projects. I do…
Relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1987/
Re: Ease of maintenance is a feature
#5Super true. One of the best tests of this is setting up a new laptop. Some of the best experiences are when you get a new laptop, and just clone the codebase and everything works as it did before, no special magic. Golang with vendored dependencies seems to be wonderful for this but I've had relatively decent experiences with newer java projects. My worst experiences universally have always been python projects. I do…
I have a couple decades of experience and have ridden a small start up through public and I have worked intimately with 6 companies. I know about taking a product and ultra scaling it in both technical and organizational scale.
I will never recommend Python outside of a small team. It is organizational molasses. My current company has multiple teams striving to keep our Python tech stack serving our growing technical and organizational scale.
I have fixed this in two companies in no small part with migrating to Go. I am on my third.
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#7This is so important. It's the most practical and future-proof way forward.
Re: Ease of maintenance is a feature
#8Super true. One of the best tests of this is setting up a new laptop. Some of the best experiences are when you get a new laptop, and just clone the codebase and everything works as it did before, no special magic. Golang with vendored dependencies seems to be wonderful for this but I've had relatively decent experiences with newer java projects. My worst experiences universally have always been python projects. I do…
I have a couple decades of experience and have ridden a small start up through public and I have worked intimately with 6 companies. I know about taking a product and ultra scaling it in both technical and organizational scale. I will never recommend Python outside of a small team. It is organizational molasses. My current company has multiple teams striving to keep our Python tech stack serving our growing technical…
The hoops that people go through to solve this sometimes creates something even more complex and not great, like forcing all development into a docker container..
Ever try conda though? I’ve had moderate success with pipenv, but tbh I don’t love it as it hides too many things when installing a package fails.
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#9As a principal software engineer, my life is moving larger orgs closer to this model. I have lived it when it works. It is critical to so many things. I feel like Plato's Cave when I couple this stuff with structured logs, metrics, dashboards, and alerts. So many shops don't understand that this stuff gives you wings.
Re: Ease of maintenance is a feature
#10Super true. One of the best tests of this is setting up a new laptop. Some of the best experiences are when you get a new laptop, and just clone the codebase and everything works as it did before, no special magic. Golang with vendored dependencies seems to be wonderful for this but I've had relatively decent experiences with newer java projects. My worst experiences universally have always been python projects. I do…
You may want to consider using Nix, with nix flakes.