Reasonable Person Principle

This is from a time before CoCs. The part about resolving conflicts with as few resources as possible, as close to the source as possible, seems to be a truism about well functioning (social) systems; really: systems in general.

While we're talking about governance problems. This stuck out to me as evidence of a misunderstanding.

> It holds that reasonable people strike a suitable balance between their own immediate desires and the good of the community at large.

This is just a poor model of how people work; it's important to have a good one if you are designing governance structures. People cater to the greater good only as a means to fulfilling their own selfish desires. Systems that wish this away instead of embracing it are doomed to failure. The system has to put the good of others on the critical path to selfish desires.

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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Post by cryptonector » Mon, Nov 04, 2024, 2:32 AM UTC

daft_pink wrote: post #2

I wish more code of conducts were written like this.

No no, we must make endless lists of specific behaviors we want and don't want.

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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Post by greesil » Mon, Nov 04, 2024, 2:44 AM UTC

Now add a few unreasonable people to the mix, and see what happens to your cultural norms.

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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Post by throwaway313373 » Mon, Nov 04, 2024, 2:45 AM UTC

alphazard wrote: post #4

This is from a time before CoCs. The part about resolving conflicts with as few resources as possible, as close to the source as possible, seems to be a truism about well functioning (social) systems; really: systems in general. While we're talking about governance problems. This stuck out to me as evidence of a misunderstanding. > It holds that reasonable people strike a suitable balance between their own immediate…

Sounds like something that an unreasonable person would say.

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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Post by throwaway313373 » Mon, Nov 04, 2024, 2:46 AM UTC

greesil wrote: post #6

Now add a few unreasonable people to the mix, and see what happens to your cultural norms.

This is the most important part: don't

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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Post by brightball » Mon, Nov 04, 2024, 2:49 AM UTC

alphazard wrote: post #4

This is from a time before CoCs. The part about resolving conflicts with as few resources as possible, as close to the source as possible, seems to be a truism about well functioning (social) systems; really: systems in general. While we're talking about governance problems. This stuck out to me as evidence of a misunderstanding. > It holds that reasonable people strike a suitable balance between their own immediate…

Personally, I question the need for CoCs. It seemed they simply started appearing everywhere one day as if following some sort of trend.

People organize together everyday in numerous different professional, community and private settings…with no need for a special set of governing rules for behavior.

Re: Reasonable Person Principle

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Post by Kim_Bruning » Mon, Nov 04, 2024, 2:52 AM UTC

alphazard wrote: post #4

This is from a time before CoCs. The part about resolving conflicts with as few resources as possible, as close to the source as possible, seems to be a truism about well functioning (social) systems; really: systems in general. While we're talking about governance problems. This stuck out to me as evidence of a misunderstanding. > It holds that reasonable people strike a suitable balance between their own immediate…

" People cater to the greater good only as a means to fulfilling their own selfish desires."

How does this statement account for inclusive fitness?