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YouTube-MP3 Fights Google With Lawyers and 220K+ Signature Petition

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Post by codeka »

I don't really understand what's the problem here. YouTube don't want him to do what he's doing, so they've blocked his servers from accessing their site. Isn't that pretty much end-of-story?

Maybe it's true that they can't legally threaten him (I don't understand the relevant laws here), but they're certainly within their rights to IP-block him.

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Post by chrischen »

codeka wrote: post #2

I don't really understand what's the problem here. YouTube don't want him to do what he's doing, so they've blocked his servers from accessing their site. Isn't that pretty much end-of-story? Maybe it's true that they can't legally threaten him (I don't understand the relevant laws here), but they're certainly within their rights to IP-block him.

Since DoS attacks are illegal, I guess you might be able to interpret this as a form of that. It could be an unreasonable usage of YouTube resources from a single source.

Maybe this can set a precedent for the PadMapper-Craigslist situation.

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codeka wrote: post #2

I don't really understand what's the problem here. YouTube don't want him to do what he's doing, so they've blocked his servers from accessing their site. Isn't that pretty much end-of-story? Maybe it's true that they can't legally threaten him (I don't understand the relevant laws here), but they're certainly within their rights to IP-block him.

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codeka wrote: post #2

I don't really understand what's the problem here. YouTube don't want him to do what he's doing, so they've blocked his servers from accessing their site. Isn't that pretty much end-of-story? Maybe it's true that they can't legally threaten him (I don't understand the relevant laws here), but they're certainly within their rights to IP-block him.

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Post by JamesLeonis »

chrischen wrote: post #4
codeka wrote: post #2

I don't really understand what's the problem here. YouTube don't want him to do what he's doing, so they've blocked his servers from accessing their site. Isn't that pretty much end-of-story? Maybe it's true that they can't legally threaten him (I don't understand the relevant laws here), but they're certainly within their rights to IP-block him.

Since DoS attacks are illegal, I guess you might be able to interpret this as a form of that. It could be an unreasonable usage of YouTube resources from a single source. Maybe this can set a precedent for the PadMapper-Craigslist situation.

The difference is that Padmapper used the Craigslist API, whereas this site appears to be able to skirt Youtube's API restrictions because it doesn't use the API.

There also is some way it can skirt the general TOS because of a German law that says TOS can only be applied between two companies when a contract is signed, which apparently never happened. I don't quite understand it, but I'm not a German lawyer.

http://edge.youtube-mp3.org/gcase/wbs.pdf

EDIT: I was misread. Padmapper didn't use a Craigslist API. Craigslist's TOS does state that scraping is forbidden and leniency is at their sole discretion. I'm not sure how that would play out in a German court, as they seem to have a different view of how TOS work between companies.

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Post by avocet »

"Google closed his Adsense account"

This guy was tempting fate. Serving ads on content hosted by the same company, allowing them to see every penny in traffic? I'm amazed some account manager with a grudge didn't pull the plug sooner.

So far we've seen the Twitter app shutdowns, Padmapper-Craigslist as chrischen noted, and now this. The established players continue to amass their information into silos, while the demands of the greater internet keep upping the water pressure.

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Post by chrischen »

JamesLeonis wrote: post #8
chrischen wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since DoS attacks are illegal, I guess you might be able to interpret this as a form of that. It could be an unreasonable usage of YouTube resources from a single source. Maybe this can set a precedent for the PadMapper-Craigslist situation.

The difference is that Padmapper used the Craigslist API, whereas this site appears to be able to skirt Youtube's API restrictions because it doesn't use the API. There also is some way it can skirt the general TOS because of a German law that says TOS can only be applied between two companies when a contract is signed, which apparently never happened. I don't quite understand it, but I'm not a German lawyer. http://…

If PadMapper used an api, then why did they receive a cease and desist?
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