US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash
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Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash
#2By now, most people have probably heard that Tesla's attempt at "Full Self Driving" is really anything but --- after a decade of promises. The vehicle owners manual spells this out.
As I understand it, the contentious issue is the fact that unlike most others, their attempt works mostly from visual feedback.
In low visibility situations, their FSD has limited feedback and is essentially driving blind.
It appears that Musk may be seeking a political solution to this technical problem.
Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash
#3By now, most people have probably heard that Tesla's attempt at "Full Self Driving" is really anything but --- after a decade of promises. The vehicle owners manual spells this out. As I understand it, the contentious issue is the fact that unlike most others, their attempt works mostly from visual feedback. In low visibility situations, their FSD has limited feedback and is essentially driving blind. It appears that…
It’s really weird how much you comment about FSD being fake. My Tesla drives me 10+ miles daily and the only time I touch any controls is pulling in and out of my garage. Literally daily. I maybe disengage once every couple days just to be on the safe side in uncertain situations, it I’m sure it’d likely do fine there too.
FSD works. It drives itself fine 99.99% of the time. It is better than most human drivers. I don’t know how you keep claiming it doesn’t or doesn’t exist.
Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash
#4By now, most people have probably heard that Tesla's attempt at "Full Self Driving" is really anything but --- after a decade of promises. The vehicle owners manual spells this out. As I understand it, the contentious issue is the fact that unlike most others, their attempt works mostly from visual feedback. In low visibility situations, their FSD has limited feedback and is essentially driving blind. It appears that…
It’s really weird how much you comment about FSD being fake. My Tesla drives me 10+ miles daily and the only time I touch any controls is pulling in and out of my garage. Literally daily. I maybe disengage once every couple days just to be on the safe side in uncertain situations, it I’m sure it’d likely do fine there too. FSD works. It drives itself fine 99.99% of the time. It is better than most human drivers. I do…
So you agree with Musk, the main problem with FSD is political?
Tesla says on its website its "Full Self-Driving" software in on-road vehicles requires active driver supervision and does not make vehicles autonomous.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/nhtsa-...
Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash
#5By now, most people have probably heard that Tesla's attempt at "Full Self Driving" is really anything but --- after a decade of promises. The vehicle owners manual spells this out. As I understand it, the contentious issue is the fact that unlike most others, their attempt works mostly from visual feedback. In low visibility situations, their FSD has limited feedback and is essentially driving blind. It appears that…
It’s really weird how much you comment about FSD being fake. My Tesla drives me 10+ miles daily and the only time I touch any controls is pulling in and out of my garage. Literally daily. I maybe disengage once every couple days just to be on the safe side in uncertain situations, it I’m sure it’d likely do fine there too. FSD works. It drives itself fine 99.99% of the time. It is better than most human drivers. I do…
The claim was about _full_ driving being anything but, ie not _fully_ self-driving, not being completely fake. Disengaging every 10-110 miles is just not "full", it's partial.
And then the gp went into details in which specific situations fsd is especially problematic.
Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash
#6By now, most people have probably heard that Tesla's attempt at "Full Self Driving" is really anything but --- after a decade of promises. The vehicle owners manual spells this out. As I understand it, the contentious issue is the fact that unlike most others, their attempt works mostly from visual feedback. In low visibility situations, their FSD has limited feedback and is essentially driving blind. It appears that…
It’s really weird how much you comment about FSD being fake. My Tesla drives me 10+ miles daily and the only time I touch any controls is pulling in and out of my garage. Literally daily. I maybe disengage once every couple days just to be on the safe side in uncertain situations, it I’m sure it’d likely do fine there too. FSD works. It drives itself fine 99.99% of the time. It is better than most human drivers. I do…
The problem is Tesla and Musk have been lying about full self-driving for years. They have made specific claims of full autonomy with specific timelines and it's been a lie every time: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/
In 2016 a video purporting to show full self-driving with the driver there purely "for legal reasons" was staged and faked: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-sel...
In 2016 Tesla said that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver." That was a lie: https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-post-s...
Musk claimed there would be 1 million Tesla robotaxis on the road in 2020. That was a lie: https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil...
Tesla claimed Hardware 3 would be capable of full self-driving. When asked about Hardware 3 at Tesla's recent robotaxi event, Musk didn't want to "get nuanced". That's starting to look like fraud: https://electrek.co/2024/10/15/tesla-needs-to-come-clean-abo...
Had Tesla simply called it "driver assistance" that wouldn't be a lie. But they didn't do that. They doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on the claim that it is "full self-driving" making the car "an appreciating asset" that it would be "financially insane" not to buy:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/23/elon-musk-any-other-car-than...
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/03/cars/musk-tesla-cars-valu...
It's not even bullshit artistry. It's just bullshit.
Lying is part of the company culture at Tesla. Musk keeps lying because the lies keep working.
Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash
#7By now, most people have probably heard that Tesla's attempt at "Full Self Driving" is really anything but --- after a decade of promises. The vehicle owners manual spells this out. As I understand it, the contentious issue is the fact that unlike most others, their attempt works mostly from visual feedback. In low visibility situations, their FSD has limited feedback and is essentially driving blind. It appears that…
Here's a video of FSD driving the same route as a waymo 42% faster with zero interventions. 23 min vs 33. This is my everyday. Enjoy.
Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash
#8By now, most people have probably heard that Tesla's attempt at "Full Self Driving" is really anything but --- after a decade of promises. The vehicle owners manual spells this out. As I understand it, the contentious issue is the fact that unlike most others, their attempt works mostly from visual feedback. In low visibility situations, their FSD has limited feedback and is essentially driving blind. It appears that…
Here's a video of FSD driving the same route as a waymo 42% faster with zero interventions. 23 min vs 33. This is my everyday. Enjoy. https://youtu.be/Kswp1DwUAAI?si=rX4L5FhMrPXpGx4V
There are also endless videos of teslas driving into pedestrians, plowing full speed into emergency vehicles parked with flashing lights, veering wildly from strange markings on the road, etc. etc.
"works for me" is a very strange response for someone on Hacker News if you have any coding background - you should realize you are a beta tester unwittingly if not a full blown alpha tester in some cases
All it will take is a non-standard event happening on your daily drive. Most certainly not wishing it on you, quite the opposite, trying to get you to accept that a perfect drive 99 times out of 100 is not enough.
Re: US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's a video of FSD driving the same route as a waymo 42% faster with zero interventions. 23 min vs 33. This is my everyday. Enjoy. https://youtu.be/Kswp1DwUAAI?si=rX4L5FhMrPXpGx4V
There are also endless videos of teslas driving into pedestrians, plowing full speed into emergency vehicles parked with flashing lights, veering wildly from strange markings on the road, etc. etc. "works for me" is a very strange response for someone on Hacker News if you have any coding background - you should realize you are a beta tester unwittingly if not a full blown alpha tester in some cases All it will take…
Those are Autopilot videos this discussion is about FSD. FSD has driven ~2 billion miles at this point and had potentially 2 fatal accidents.
The US average is 1.33 deaths/100 million miles. Tesla on FSD is easily 10x safer.
Every day it gets safer.
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