Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
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Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
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Re: Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
#2Tesla owners agree to binding arbitration when purchasing a vehicle, unless they opt out within a window of time in writing. This means consumers will need to engage their state attorney generals and federal regulators for the fraud perpetrated that Tesla is attempting to scrub with these changes: that Full Self Driving unsupervised/robotaxis are not coming as promised when the FSD package was sold by Tesla and purchased by consumers.
Re: Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
#3> Previously, customers were offered the option to purchase “Full Self-Driving Capability,”
They were offered a lie. Tesla still hasn't delivered what those customers paid for.
> Let’s look at what else has changed on Tesla’s website on FSD before we dive into the wording changes.
Another recent change on Tesla's website is to remove old blog posts, including a 2016 blog post in which Tesla claimed "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver":
https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-post-s...
https://web.archive.org/web/20240709163806/https://www.tesla...
Tesla might now also outsource its AI work to xAI:
https://www.wsj.com/tech/tesla-xai-partnership-elon-musk-30e...
If indeed Tesla is "worth basically zero" without full self-driving:
https://electrek.co/2022/06/15/elon-musk-solving-self-drivin...
Then moving that work to xAI seems like a good way to turn Tesla into a private company without actually purchasing it.
Re: Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
#4So, Musk did repeat the FSD 'any moment' last earnings call and robotaxis using it this september (now) as well. And then they do this. That is why I found it very strange that anyone believes his recent Mars timelines; people I consider smart (PG for instance [0]) are awe struck by such an announcement while we all know that Elon is often decades off. Don't get me wrong, besides his political gibberish and twitter mess, at least he tries, but I don't know anymore if all the crazy things he says are to manipulate investors or if he really believes them.
Re: Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
#5So, Musk did repeat the FSD 'any moment' last earnings call and robotaxis using it this september (now) as well. And then they do this. That is why I found it very strange that anyone believes his recent Mars timelines; people I consider smart (PG for instance [0]) are awe struck by such an announcement while we all know that Elon is often decades off. Don't get me wrong, besides his political gibberish and twitter m…
Every manned Mars mission announced by Musk so far has assumed that astronauts will be staying on Mars for good and never return.
Cheeky Reddit discussions arguing how reaching Mars is easier than the moon care more about saving some delta V than saving the lives of the astronauts that would embark on a suicide mission just to appease SpaceX investors.
SpsceX has no plans to build a space station around Mars, meanwhile NASA wants to build a Mars gateway by rehearsing on the moon. SpaceX has not built any hardware or space suits that are necessary for long term survival on the martian surface. Those astronauts would arrive without any means for survival, stuck in their starship just as if they were stuck in a space station. Then there is the fact that at the current rate of progress, the mars schedule is faster than the moon/artemis schedule, implying that they don't care about the moon and are diverting resources away from it even though they have received money and a super tight deadline for it.
Re: Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
#6My guess is that they sold FSD for a lump sum while the tech was experimental.
Now that they see the light at the end of the tunnel, they're planning to transition to a subscription model, and the cars that do have it will slowly fall out of circulation as they age, with many of them not having the right hardware for the real thing anyways.
This is similar to what they did with supercharging.
Re: Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
#7> Previously, customers were offered the option to purchase “Full Self-Driving Capability,” They were offered a lie. Tesla still hasn't delivered what those customers paid for. > Let’s look at what else has changed on Tesla’s website on FSD before we dive into the wording changes. Another recent change on Tesla's website is to remove old blog posts, including a 2016 blog post in which Tesla claimed "as of today, all…
Some Teslas don't have the sensor hardware and the compute power to do road-safe FSD. This is something Tesla engineers learned the hard way.
Things may change in the future as we make advances in computing and AI, but right now it is not possible.
Re: Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
#8So, Musk did repeat the FSD 'any moment' last earnings call and robotaxis using it this september (now) as well. And then they do this. That is why I found it very strange that anyone believes his recent Mars timelines; people I consider smart (PG for instance [0]) are awe struck by such an announcement while we all know that Elon is often decades off. Don't get me wrong, besides his political gibberish and twitter m…
Remember when tesla was about to release full self driving cars "next year" and uber said they'd buy every single car tesla would produce aha
That was like 10 years ago, and we still don't have anything even remotely close to self driving besides the few $$$ experimental cars driving the long straight roads of ever sunny california
Re: Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
#9> Previously, customers were offered the option to purchase “Full Self-Driving Capability,” They were offered a lie. Tesla still hasn't delivered what those customers paid for. > Let’s look at what else has changed on Tesla’s website on FSD before we dive into the wording changes. Another recent change on Tesla's website is to remove old blog posts, including a 2016 blog post in which Tesla claimed "as of today, all…
Some Teslas don't have the sensor hardware and the compute power to do road-safe FSD. This is something Tesla engineers learned the hard way. Things may change in the future as we make advances in computing and AI, but right now it is not possible.
So it's ok to sell a feature to customers if you only find out later it's not possible?
Re: Tesla FSD no longer offered for purchase
#10There are multiple matters being conflated together.
0. Tempering customer expectations from overpromising.
1. Investors' concerns about liabilities of advertising autonomous operation, potentially implicitly implying unsupervised.
2. Culpability of drivers when "supervised" (within visual sight) operation fails in a manner that's not immediately physically controllable. What if summon runs into a person or runs over a pet?
3. Potentially replacing "original FSD" with a lower tier substitute at the same price point, or as a subscription only.
While I might jump to 3, 0 and 1 seem the most likely. 2 is still remains a big question mark.