Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by p1nkpineapple » Wed, May 15, 2024, 10:50 AM UTC

Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
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Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by benrutter » Wed, May 15, 2024, 11:16 AM UTC

This is a pretty interesting development. Anyone know the userbase/impact of "Oracle EBS"?

I don't know much about Oracle's services so can't figure if this is a huge number of users, of a small subset of their clients.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by robertlagrant » Wed, May 15, 2024, 11:20 AM UTC

How are Oracle with contributing to OpenTofu upstream?

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by jph » Wed, May 15, 2024, 11:21 AM UTC

"Oracle’s move seems like a straightforward decision to ensure it is using the most permissive underlying IaC tool without having to worry about downstream license complications, no more and no less."

Oracle wins a big competitive talking point versus IBM, as well as crushing the value of IBM's acquisition of Hashicorp, and completely eliminating IBM's Terraform inroad into a large group of Oracle's enterprise customers.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by loloquwowndueo » Wed, May 15, 2024, 11:22 AM UTC

A giant corporation like Oracle switching to the fork because they don’t want to engage commercially with Hashicorp is peak greedy.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by klysm » Wed, May 15, 2024, 11:25 AM UTC

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #5

A giant corporation like Oracle switching to the fork because they don’t want to engage commercially with Hashicorp is peak greedy.

How? It seems entirely sensible

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by amiga386 » Wed, May 15, 2024, 11:27 AM UTC

benrutter wrote: post #2

This is a pretty interesting development. Anyone know the userbase/impact of "Oracle EBS"? I don't know much about Oracle's services so can't figure if this is a huge number of users, of a small subset of their clients.

Oracle has a number of departments, but one way you can look at it is:

* Oracle Products (e.g. DB, Fusion, E-Business Suite)

* Oracle Cloud (OCI)

What's telling is that Oracle Cloud's Terraform-as-a-Service (Resource Manager) is still Terraform:

https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/ResourceManager/C...

Clearly, Oracle must think there is some legal distinction between telling Terraform-as-a-service, and selling+distributing a product _containing_ Terraform that end users then use as Terraform-as-a-service.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by Lockal » Wed, May 15, 2024, 11:27 AM UTC

"Oracle’s move seems like a straightforward decision to ensure it is using the most permissive underlying IaC tool without having to worry about downstream license complications, no more and no less."

Hm, with that logic they could dump MySQL in favor of MariaDB as well

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by lenerdenator » Wed, May 15, 2024, 11:27 AM UTC

Just don't let them hijack it for their own purposes.

Sun and MySQL precede them.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by pwarner » Wed, May 15, 2024, 11:31 AM UTC

jph wrote: post #4

"Oracle’s move seems like a straightforward decision to ensure it is using the most permissive underlying IaC tool without having to worry about downstream license complications, no more and no less." Oracle wins a big competitive talking point versus IBM, as well as crushing the value of IBM's acquisition of Hashicorp, and completely eliminating IBM's Terraform inroad into a large group of Oracle's enterprise custom…

I think Oracle Linux was a similar approach to let their customers use RedHat Linux without paying RedHat, now also IBM.