Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs
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#2Maybe merit isn’t everything.
Maybe a weaker player with a different perspective makes the team stronger than would another homogenous superstar.
I just don’t know.
Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs
#3Was a female passed up even though she was top of the pick?
Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs
#4It's quite incredible how hating men have been not only normalized but institutionalized in the last few years. Changing a single word in that kind of headlines would give a strong 1933 vibe.
Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs
#5And as usual no data other than opinions.
How many women did they have with the same qualifications as the men? How many women work the same amount of hours? How many women even applied for the job?
My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why?
Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs
#6It's quite incredible how hating men have been not only normalized but institutionalized in the last few years. Changing a single word in that kind of headlines would give a strong 1933 vibe.
Sure, but that is denying the reality of the moment / endorsing the fantasies of the past. I fail to see how pointing out the actual reality of hiring statistics correlates at all the fascist conspiracy theory. This is not "hating men".
Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs
#7And as usual no data other than opinions. How many women did they have with the same qualifications as the men? How many women work the same amount of hours? How many women even applied for the job? My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why?
Could it be because the lack of representation in leadership roles is self-perpetuating?
Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs
#8Vicious cycle:
1. There is a relatively stable job opening with diversity requirements. The 'diverse' hire is made.
2. The 'non-diverse' candidates for the position end up not getting the job. While seemingly inconsequential on its own, this has the effect of 'non-diverse' candidates being over-represented among those who are overqualified for their current position.
3. In order to get a more suitable position for their abilities, these 'non-diverse' candidates are forced to work on higher risk projects, maybe lacking the same prestige, as the position in (1).
4. Due to their ability, these riskier projects take off. Now the risk was higher, so the reward is commensurately higher.
5. As these projects mature and grow and attract more money, they start to have job openings similar to 1.
6. Charges of discrimination are made when only 'non-diverse' candidates seemed to have benefited from this novel technology. And likely those same candidates in 2 are now forced out as more jobs like 1 are opened up in the projects they grew in 4. Then the start at step 3 again.
Personally, I have absolutely seen this play out with AI. I was in the industry before all the LLM / NVDA buzz. Many people thought it was crazy, a pipe dream, etc. Now... everyone wants in and is retconning their stories to talk about how they always supported it. Give me a break.
Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs
#9And as usual no data other than opinions. How many women did they have with the same qualifications as the men? How many women work the same amount of hours? How many women even applied for the job? My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why?
People need to be less outraged. Look at the situation and figure out what would allow the UK/EU to get on par with the US in terms of AI.
If diversity would achieve it, then do that, if homogeneity would achieve that, then do that.
Personally, I think they need to figure out what their main goal is. Is it diversification in this one area, or is it parity/supremacy in this one area and then go from there. One cannot serve two masters.
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#10It's quite incredible how hating men have been not only normalized but institutionalized in the last few years. Changing a single word in that kind of headlines would give a strong 1933 vibe.
Sure, but that is denying the reality of the moment / endorsing the fantasies of the past. I fail to see how pointing out the actual reality of hiring statistics correlates at all the fascist conspiracy theory. This is not "hating men".
It depends which statistics we're talking about, for example talking about crime stats is a big no-no no matter which angle you take, but talking about hiring stats without any background information nor nuance will get you a shiny social justice medal