Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
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Re: Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
#2Looking at the screenshots, it’s crazy good. I only frequent 5-6 sites on a daily basis; will actually daily drive LadyBird if at least 3 work
Re: Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
#3Related (chat with Andreas Kling about SerenityOS and Ladybird):
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620450
However I don't understand why many people are longing for Ladybird as another free browser. There are already some and Firefox is losing marketshare every day. So please do use it.
Ok, I guess Mozilla Foundation's running the Firefox project is not to everyones liking, so that would be a valid reason. But not to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Firefox is a great browser and the only reason I sometimes use Chrome is that more and more sites require Chrome (e.g. Teams).
Re: Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
#4Related (chat with Andreas Kling about SerenityOS and Ladybird): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620450 However I don't understand why many people are longing for Ladybird as another free browser. There are already some and Firefox is losing marketshare every day. So please do use it. Ok, I guess Mozilla Foundation's running the Firefox project is not to everyones liking, so that would be a valid reason. But n…
Side note:
Teams works for me in firefox on linux if I change the UserAgent with this add-on:
https://mybrowseraddon.com/custom-useragent-string.html
For these urls
https://teams.microsoft.com/ https://statics.teams.cdn.office.net/
To Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/85.0.4183.102 Safari/537.36 Edg/85.0.564.51
Re: Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
#5Related (chat with Andreas Kling about SerenityOS and Ladybird): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620450 However I don't understand why many people are longing for Ladybird as another free browser. There are already some and Firefox is losing marketshare every day. So please do use it. Ok, I guess Mozilla Foundation's running the Firefox project is not to everyones liking, so that would be a valid reason. But n…
Side note: Teams works for me in firefox on linux if I change the UserAgent with this add-on: https://mybrowseraddon.com/custom-useragent-string.html For these urls https://teams.microsoft.com/ https://statics.teams.cdn.office.net/ To Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/85.0.4183.102 Safari/537.36 Edg/85.0.564.51
Changing the user agent seems to make things work more often than not in the case of sites/apps like this. My inclination is that most of them don’t actually have hard browser requirements and just haven’t been tested against anything but Chrome and the devs (or those managing them) would prefer to not change that.
Re: Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
#6Related (chat with Andreas Kling about SerenityOS and Ladybird): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620450 However I don't understand why many people are longing for Ladybird as another free browser. There are already some and Firefox is losing marketshare every day. So please do use it. Ok, I guess Mozilla Foundation's running the Firefox project is not to everyones liking, so that would be a valid reason. But n…
I use Firefox, but I still want more browser engine diversity. Blink and Webkit have a significant shared ancestry, and the only other major one is Gecko.
Re: Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
#7Related (chat with Andreas Kling about SerenityOS and Ladybird): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620450 However I don't understand why many people are longing for Ladybird as another free browser. There are already some and Firefox is losing marketshare every day. So please do use it. Ok, I guess Mozilla Foundation's running the Firefox project is not to everyones liking, so that would be a valid reason. But n…
Some of the discontent comes from Firefox not being very interesting compared to other browsers.
The various Chrome-clones are doing interesting things like adding toggleable vertical tabs built in (Vivaldi, Edge) or even vertical-only (Arc) and Arc is playing with using native OS widgets for UI across platforms for example.
There’s also functionality advantages. All the chrome-clones have better out of the box profile support, as does Safari as of the last major release or so. Safari also IMO has a better stock tab groups implementation than any of the other major browsers.
Firefox can be fixed up to support these things, but you’ll need multiple extensions and if you want to make it all look good (e.g. hiding the ugly sidebar header, extending sidebar into toolbar area, configuring Sidebery/TST/etc), a substantial amount of tinkering is needed. More of this should be rolled into the base browser and “just work”.
Re: Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
#8Related (chat with Andreas Kling about SerenityOS and Ladybird): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620450 However I don't understand why many people are longing for Ladybird as another free browser. There are already some and Firefox is losing marketshare every day. So please do use it. Ok, I guess Mozilla Foundation's running the Firefox project is not to everyones liking, so that would be a valid reason. But n…
Firefox isn't made, run, or owned by the Mozilla Foundation, though. You're thinking of the Mozilla corporation, which is a for-profit company working on the Firefox product.
The Mozilla Foundation is a separate advocacy and campaigning non-profit (which is also why donating to the foundation means your money goes towards advocacy and campaigns, not Firefox)
Re: Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
#9Related (chat with Andreas Kling about SerenityOS and Ladybird): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620450 However I don't understand why many people are longing for Ladybird as another free browser. There are already some and Firefox is losing marketshare every day. So please do use it. Ok, I guess Mozilla Foundation's running the Firefox project is not to everyones liking, so that would be a valid reason. But n…
Adding another free browser changes nothing. People don’t choose free browsers because people don’t choose. The owner of the platform chooses (with the notable exception of Windows where Google has spent billions of dollars to advertise it).
Re: Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser
#10Very cool project, but this article isn’t really about complexity, and complexity makes a background appearance at best.