Cloudflare lays off new hires
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Cloudflare lays off new hires
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#2Plenty of these on LI today unfortunately.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/skoroleva_opentowork-techsale...
https://twitter.com/BowTiedPassport/status/17451497589921956...
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#3I wonder if the US will ever get first-world tier labor laws that prevent companies from screwing people over like this.
Doesn't seem likely any time soon, but it's so insane how healthcare and everything is tied to an employer and in most places they can just fire you on a whim and not offer severance or anything.
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#4I wonder if the US will ever get first-world tier labor laws that prevent companies from screwing people over like this. Doesn't seem likely any time soon, but it's so insane how healthcare and everything is tied to an employer and in most places they can just fire you on a whim and not offer severance or anything.
I am absolutely for decoupling healthcare from employment (via universal care), and for mandated severance.
However, there's a reason that so many - I'll pick on Germany here - German tech leaders move to the US. When firing employees becomes too hard, hiring is risky, giving people broad latitude is risky, and compensation suffers because high comp is risky.
If you're a very capable software engineer, it's better to be in the US. If you're a not-very-effective one, it's better to be in a place that will make getting rid of you much harder for the business.
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#6Sales teams are often the first and hardest hit. In theory this makes sense, but it can also completely hobble the whole company.
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#7I wonder if the US will ever get first-world tier labor laws that prevent companies from screwing people over like this. Doesn't seem likely any time soon, but it's so insane how healthcare and everything is tied to an employer and in most places they can just fire you on a whim and not offer severance or anything.
I don't know why you're being downvoted. Strong labor protections and a generous social safety net with the goal of making it so that being fired isn't the end of the world would be a huge net positive for the labor market. Guilt free firing means you can allocate labor efficiently where it's actually needed specifically because you're not dealing with people's livelihoods.
And right now our social safety net for situations like this is built into unemployment insurance, we should expand it.
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#8I wonder if the US will ever get first-world tier labor laws that prevent companies from screwing people over like this. Doesn't seem likely any time soon, but it's so insane how healthcare and everything is tied to an employer and in most places they can just fire you on a whim and not offer severance or anything.
You’re not entitled to a job. It’s a fair market. I for one would not want this kind of environment.
Healthcare is a different story.
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#9I wonder if the US will ever get first-world tier labor laws that prevent companies from screwing people over like this. Doesn't seem likely any time soon, but it's so insane how healthcare and everything is tied to an employer and in most places they can just fire you on a whim and not offer severance or anything.
I am absolutely for decoupling healthcare from employment (via universal care), and for mandated severance. However, there's a reason that so many - I'll pick on Germany here - German tech leaders move to the US. When firing employees becomes too hard, hiring is risky, giving people broad latitude is risky, and compensation suffers because high comp is risky. If you're a very capable software engineer, it's better to…
> When firing employees becomes too hard, hiring is risky, giving people broad latitude is risky, and compensation suffers because high comp is risky.
I don't follow this conclusion at all.
Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires
#10I wonder if the US will ever get first-world tier labor laws that prevent companies from screwing people over like this. Doesn't seem likely any time soon, but it's so insane how healthcare and everything is tied to an employer and in most places they can just fire you on a whim and not offer severance or anything.
You’re not entitled to a job. It’s a fair market. I for one would not want this kind of environment. Healthcare is a different story.
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