Netlify's disingenuous survey-based attack on Next.js (and eleventy, too)
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#2I don't have even a smidge of the background apparently required to make sense of this article. What is Netlify's battle with Vercel? What is their promotion and apparent now distancing from Jamstack about? Which frameworks would Netlify have ulterior motives to promote or disparage?
Re: Netlify's disingenuous survey-based attack on Next.js (and eleventy, too)
#3I don't have even a smidge of the background apparently required to make sense of this article. What is Netlify's battle with Vercel? What is their promotion and apparent now distancing from Jamstack about? Which frameworks would Netlify have ulterior motives to promote or disparage?
Somewhat an outsider (but I have used Netlify and eleventy). It's basically a tale as old as time: trying to build a sustainable business around open source technology and perhaps fleeting trends in software development.
Vercel and Netlify offer essentially the same thing: easy hosting of mostly static websites + a few bells and whistles. They each support development of frameworks (eleventy, Next.js, Gatsby, and perhaps others) that make their hosting business more compelling to use. Netlify branded it's approach as "Jamstack" which I believe stood for "Javascript and some other Marketing Stuff". Now that the winds of change are blowing, Netlify want to reposition themselves as something a bit different and down play the old stuff and also not make it look like their rivals are doing to well.
Re: Netlify's disingenuous survey-based attack on Next.js (and eleventy, too)
#4I remember being astonished at the time of Netlify's rise that someone had the audacity to compete with (a slice of) Amazon S3, and heartened to see what looked like success (usage). Alas, it seems it was a zero interest mirage, and the situation is as it always was, that only the bigs have sustainable business models in web services, especially the more open, generic ones.
edit: what's with the downvotes, did I offend someone?
Re: Netlify's disingenuous survey-based attack on Next.js (and eleventy, too)
#5I don't have even a smidge of the background apparently required to make sense of this article. What is Netlify's battle with Vercel? What is their promotion and apparent now distancing from Jamstack about? Which frameworks would Netlify have ulterior motives to promote or disparage?
Somewhat an outsider (but I have used Netlify and eleventy). It's basically a tale as old as time: trying to build a sustainable business around open source technology and perhaps fleeting trends in software development. Vercel and Netlify offer essentially the same thing: easy hosting of mostly static websites + a few bells and whistles. They each support development of frameworks (eleventy, Next.js, Gatsby, and per…
One big thing is that Vercel owns Nextjs and has started to do direct integrations with their platform.
Although the features can work without Vercel, it's a second class citizen.
The more popular Next is, the less reason people would choose netlify over nextjs as a default option.
Re: Netlify's disingenuous survey-based attack on Next.js (and eleventy, too)
#6Netlify founder here.
The survey is a reflection of what our community responded.
Next is the largest framework in usage and is really will liked by it's users. This is clearly visible in the charts of the survey.
But for the first time we’ve run this survey, Next decreased in usage year over year (from 47% to 46%).
Astro jumped all the way from 11% to 18% with 87% responding they want to use it more.
Eleventy dropped in usage from our respondents from 19% last year to 16% this year.
None of this is an attack on anyone, it’s just data from our survey. The rise of Astro is one of the most newsworthy bits of data from the survey and reflects genuine excitement in the community we’re part of.
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#7I was a happy Netlify user for years until they silently took down my app without warning. They blocked my account based on a bogus DMCA claim, the details of which point to a DIFFERENT app with a similar name. Unacceptable behavior from a hosting provider. I'll never use them again.
Re: Netlify's disingenuous survey-based attack on Next.js (and eleventy, too)
#8I don't have even a smidge of the background apparently required to make sense of this article. What is Netlify's battle with Vercel? What is their promotion and apparent now distancing from Jamstack about? Which frameworks would Netlify have ulterior motives to promote or disparage?
This article is written for the kind of person who reads articles on the topics like state of web development in 2023.
Vercel is big enough and important enough that such a reader will undoubtedly know of it. That reader will probably, but not certainly, also know about eleventy.
Netlify, who arguably started or at least encouraged the space Vercel inhabits, is understandably pissed that they aren't in Vercel's shoes today. Eleventy is pissed that they are receiving a bit of collateral damage in that messaging war.
Re: Netlify's disingenuous survey-based attack on Next.js (and eleventy, too)
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Somewhat an outsider (but I have used Netlify and eleventy). It's basically a tale as old as time: trying to build a sustainable business around open source technology and perhaps fleeting trends in software development. Vercel and Netlify offer essentially the same thing: easy hosting of mostly static websites + a few bells and whistles. They each support development of frameworks (eleventy, Next.js, Gatsby, and per…
One big thing is that Vercel owns Nextjs and has started to do direct integrations with their platform. Although the features can work without Vercel, it's a second class citizen. The more popular Next is, the less reason people would choose netlify over nextjs as a default option.
Oh and some of the React core team landed at Vercel, and React has been focusing on backend features and partnering with Next/Vercel on early development of said features.
So there is frustration that the React project is now perhaps an extension of Vercel's interests, and focused on helping them sell hosting.
Never ending drama in VC land.
Re: Netlify's disingenuous survey-based attack on Next.js (and eleventy, too)
#10I remember being astonished at the time of Netlify's rise that someone had the audacity to compete with (a slice of) Amazon S3, and heartened to see what looked like success (usage). Alas, it seems it was a zero interest mirage, and the situation is as it always was, that only the bigs have sustainable business models in web services, especially the more open, generic ones. edit: what's with the downvotes, did I offe…
Vercel, mentioned in the article, seems to be doing quite well.