More product, fewer product managers
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More product, fewer product managers
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Re: More product, fewer product managers
#2Some great advice. The best PM I have worked with are visionaries and catalysts. They are great at exploring opportunities areas and bringing the team along.
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#3Ha, what's the difference between a project manager and a product manager?
Two letters and about $50k-100k.
I've done both and it ends up being project management with a few extra steps. The extra steps being, "focusing on the market, solving customer problems, and being strategic.
You'll hear the classic adage of, ” well project managers deal with the how to execute and product managers deal with the what to execute" but the reality is over most orgs Ive been in, they're really just project managers who also have (something) of strategic vision aligned with the marketplace.
Don't tell product managers this because they'll get butt hurt and telling you how they aren't.
Re: More product, fewer product managers
#4Ha, what's the difference between a project manager and a product manager? Two letters and about $50k-100k. I've done both and it ends up being project management with a few extra steps. The extra steps being, "focusing on the market, solving customer problems, and being strategic. You'll hear the classic adage of, ” well project managers deal with the how to execute and product managers deal with the what to execute…
As someone who has hired both, I really don’t see it that way. As another commenter mentioned, the difference is the capability for understanding the problem, being able to envision the right solution, and then manage all the moving pieces to make it a reality. The best ones are similar to startup founders.
Re: More product, fewer product managers
#5Ha, what's the difference between a project manager and a product manager? Two letters and about $50k-100k. I've done both and it ends up being project management with a few extra steps. The extra steps being, "focusing on the market, solving customer problems, and being strategic. You'll hear the classic adage of, ” well project managers deal with the how to execute and product managers deal with the what to execute…
Thank you
Re: More product, fewer product managers
#6As a developer, and a development manager, the best product managers I've worked with rarely got involved in the "how". Sure, they may generate epic-level tickets in your back log, but lower than that, they trust you and the project people to get things done.
Problem is, the org needs to support that, and in most companies, the work that gets the most attention isn't visionary or growth focused, it's whatever is making the loudest noise. Often that is in direct conflict with a product owner/manager's desires.
Re: More product, fewer product managers
#7Some great advice. The best PM I have worked with are visionaries and catalysts. They are great at exploring opportunities areas and bringing the team along.
I've worked with some bad PMs and some great PMs.
The great PMs generally follow the advice here:
https://staysaasy.com/product/2023/03/12/pm-engineers-dont-h...
Re: More product, fewer product managers
#8As a developer, and a development manager, the best product managers I've worked with rarely got involved in the "how". Sure, they may generate epic-level tickets in your back log, but lower than that, they trust you and the project people to get things done. Problem is, the org needs to support that, and in most companies, the work that gets the most attention isn't visionary or growth focused, it's whatever is maki…
Or they are super into weeds polishing stuff in code level but it is never between those two approaches. Also very good pm can be kinda shackled if there is lots of mediocre pms running around.
Re: More product, fewer product managers
#9Barely relevant to the article, but this new trend of AI art as the main image of blog articles drives me absolutely crazy - if you don't have a clear main image in mind when you wrote the article, don't waste my bandwidth downloading a computers pipe dream.
I'm all for AI art, it's an incredibly valuable tool - but if your using an AI piece as the only image on the page, it should be for a damn good reason, not just space filler. Especially when you can't even curate the image generated well enough to have every person in the image have the correct number of fingers.
Re: More product, fewer product managers
#10Barely relevant to the article, but this new trend of AI art as the main image of blog articles drives me absolutely crazy - if you don't have a clear main image in mind when you wrote the article, don't waste my bandwidth downloading a computers pipe dream. I'm all for AI art, it's an incredibly valuable tool - but if your using an AI piece as the only image on the page, it should be for a damn good reason, not just…
That’s a fair take.