PCSX2 Disables Wayland Support
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PCSX2 Disables Wayland Support
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#2> KDE isn't too buggy, GNOME is a complete disaster.
What did the author mean by this? Don't know much about Wayland other than it is window system, replacing x11.
KDE Plasma wiki[1] says, "KDE Plasma 5 is the fifth and current generation of the graphical workspaces environment created by KDE....KDE Plasma 5 uses the X Window System and Wayland."
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#3What a refreshingly honest commit message. The corporate over-professional dribble on work commit messages is so bland by comparison. That being said, I'm still left wondering if Wayland support on one of my projects is a problem.
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#4> KDE isn't too buggy, GNOME is a complete disaster. What did the author mean by this? Don't know much about Wayland other than it is window system, replacing x11. KDE Plasma wiki[1] says, "KDE Plasma 5 is the fifth and current generation of the graphical workspaces environment created by KDE....KDE Plasma 5 uses the X Window System and Wayland." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_5
There is no de-facto Wayland software like there is the X.org server. Wayland is just a protocol—KDE and GNOME (through Mutter) both implement it. The author is saying that KDE did so better than GNOME.
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#5> KDE isn't too buggy, GNOME is a complete disaster. What did the author mean by this? Don't know much about Wayland other than it is window system, replacing x11. KDE Plasma wiki[1] says, "KDE Plasma 5 is the fifth and current generation of the graphical workspaces environment created by KDE....KDE Plasma 5 uses the X Window System and Wayland." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_5
Briefly: it's a big lift for all the different desktop environments (DE) to move from X11 to Wayland. Lots of moving parts; re-implementing and re-factoring is needed.
Re: PCSX2 Disables Wayland Support
#6> KDE isn't too buggy, GNOME is a complete disaster. What did the author mean by this? Don't know much about Wayland other than it is window system, replacing x11. KDE Plasma wiki[1] says, "KDE Plasma 5 is the fifth and current generation of the graphical workspaces environment created by KDE....KDE Plasma 5 uses the X Window System and Wayland." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_5
KDE and GNOME roll their own wayland libs for their compositor.
These have varying levels of quality with their own unique quirks and bugs. The "gold standard" for wayland at the moment is wlroots which is what basically every other wayland compositor uses. PCSX2 apparently works perfectly fine on wlroots based compositors but has some quirks with KDE wayland and is nigh unusable with GNOME's super janky wayland implementation.
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#7Are we subjecting ourselves to the sunk cost fallacy with Wayland? It's been "almost ready" for 6 or 7 years at this point.
Re: PCSX2 Disables Wayland Support
#8> KDE isn't too buggy, GNOME is a complete disaster. What did the author mean by this? Don't know much about Wayland other than it is window system, replacing x11. KDE Plasma wiki[1] says, "KDE Plasma 5 is the fifth and current generation of the graphical workspaces environment created by KDE....KDE Plasma 5 uses the X Window System and Wayland." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_5
Briefly: it's a big lift for all the different desktop environments (DE) to move from X11 to Wayland. Lots of moving parts; re-implementing and re-factoring is needed.
The vast majority of users today run a hybrid of Wayland and XWayland... Getting the worst of both worlds, and extra bugs to go on top...
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#9Further down:
>... it is disabled on our release builds, because it's nothing but headaches for us, because of its broken by design nature causing issues for users. I listed a bunch of them in the OP as well.
>We're sick of getting blamed for bugs in wayland compositors, while the various committees sit around arguing with each other, finally decide on standard ways of doing things after half a decade, then GNOME ruins it all by refusing to implement it.
Re: PCSX2 Disables Wayland Support
#10Are we subjecting ourselves to the sunk cost fallacy with Wayland? It's been "almost ready" for 6 or 7 years at this point.
Ignoring the exponential pace Wayland has improved for end users in the last 36 months (see for example Plasma/Wayland Showstoppers[0]), would staying on X11 not be more of a sunk cost fallacy? There aren't even any Wayland alternatives with meaningful momentum
[0] https://community.kde.org/index.php?title=Plasma/Wayland_Sho...