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Re: Never Event

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The USA list is an interesting conflation of what I think are two distinct classes of error: ones which can be made impossible with the right processes followed correctly, and ones which can't.

"Wrong site surgery", "retained instrument post-operation", "infant discharged to wrong person", sure, absolutely agree processes can and should be such that this can literally never happen.

On the other hand, "Intraoperative or immediately postoperative death in an ASA Class I patient" seems like one which is ultimately in the lap of the gods: we certainly can and should make those odds really good (maybe much better than they currently are) by improving processes and ranking surgeons by their error statistics and so on. But sometimes people do just die, and the best surgeon could make a one-in-one-thousand slip of the hand (because human bodies just aren't built for such perfect fine motor control). And "serious injury or death associated with a fall": again, I'm not sure there are processes even in principle which could prevent a determined patient from injuring themselves by taking a fall, short of tying them to the bed or otherwise disabling them. There's a solid chance I, a basically-healthy patient in a ward, could be socially engineered into helping the miserable elderly patient next door to get out of bed for a short walk; so now your processes need to be robust to having young healthy people actively trying to break them! This problem seems not like the others.

Re: Never Event

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A friend of mine has experienced Never Event #8 (Surgery performed on the wrong body part), went in for work on a tendon in her right ankle, woke up with a cast on the left leg.

edit: scrolled further and saw that in the UK we have a different list, so I guess this would count as "Wrong site surgery"

Re: Never Event

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post #3

A friend of mine has experienced Never Event #8 (Surgery performed on the wrong body part), went in for work on a tendon in her right ankle, woke up with a cast on the left leg. edit: scrolled further and saw that in the UK we have a different list, so I guess this would count as "Wrong site surgery"

can you elaborate? What did they actually do to the left leg?

Re: Never Event

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post #2

The USA list is an interesting conflation of what I think are two distinct classes of error: ones which can be made impossible with the right processes followed correctly, and ones which can't. "Wrong site surgery", "retained instrument post-operation", "infant discharged to wrong person", sure, absolutely agree processes can and should be such that this can literally never happen. On the other hand, "Intraoperative…

Agreed, the no-suicide one is the worst. What process would you even take other than asking "have you had suicidal thoughts?"

Re: Never Event

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> Infant discharged to the wrong person

When our daughter was born, we didn't let her out of our sight until my wife left the hospital. Sure, they have these bracelets that prevent switching babies (which happened to my wife's grandmother in 1960ies Switzerland), but our worst nightmare was that someone simply took and walked out with her.

Re: Never Event

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These numbers are way too low:

> As of 2019, 11 states have mandated reporting for never events, and an additional 16 states have mandated reporting for serious adverse events including never events.

Re: Never Event

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post #3

A friend of mine has experienced Never Event #8 (Surgery performed on the wrong body part), went in for work on a tendon in her right ankle, woke up with a cast on the left leg. edit: scrolled further and saw that in the UK we have a different list, so I guess this would count as "Wrong site surgery"

My friend is a surgeon. When he went in for knee surgery he wrote "Wrong Knee" on the good knee. He knows.

Re: Never Event

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post #3

A friend of mine has experienced Never Event #8 (Surgery performed on the wrong body part), went in for work on a tendon in her right ankle, woke up with a cast on the left leg. edit: scrolled further and saw that in the UK we have a different list, so I guess this would count as "Wrong site surgery"

I believe it’s common in the US for the intended (and/or unintended) surgical site to be physically marked in ink before the surgery to prevent left-right mistakes.
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