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Ask HN: Buying servers?

#1
I might be buying 10-20 servers in the next few months, and I'd really appreciate any advice folks have about getting the best deals. I'm mainly looking for some fairly reliable 1U boxes with 8 cores and 16-32 GB RAM. Disk is not that much of a concern.

Can I get significantly better prices if I start talking to a sales guy vs going over the web for places like Dell and HP? Are there any white box vendors you guys would recommend? Has anybody learned any lessons or had a great experience with a vendor they can share?

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#3
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go on eBay, lots of refurbished stuff there, a guy I know buys all his stuff from one user. Me personally, I prefer to just lease them

Leasing computer hardware instead of buying results in tax credits in Canada, so many people take this route.

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#4
Yes, you will get better deals by talking to a sales person, ESPECIALLY in about 2 weeks (as the quarter and year are coming to a close and people are trying to make their numbers).

Make it clear that you know the value of what you are after and are ready to make a purchase as soon as you find the right deal.

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#5
(A) Lease vs. Buy: If you can swing it, lease them instead - tax benefits, etc.

(B) Do you really need 8 cores per box? I.e., you can get used dual-dual machines a lot cheaper than 50% of the price of the dual-quad machines.

(C) If you know what you want and are buying new then going with a white box builder is significantly cheaper than buying from Dell/HP/etc. I've been pretty happy with ASA especially since they've delivered/picked-up/serviced machines directly to/from/in our colo but there are plenty of decent vendors and they most end up using SuperMicro-based systems anyways.

(D) Do you really need 1U? Why? Power/cooling issues are putting more constraints on things than size at many places and a 2U is often cheaper, more flexible, fixable, etc.

(E) Really knowing exactly what you want can make a big difference in talking with the salespeople. Buying at the end of the quarter is a good thing if you can swing it.

(F) More ram is more better and 32GB is the current sweet spot in terms of lots of memory for a good price. Pay particular attention to the motherboards that you're considering as there can be a price premium at the various steps depending on if you need the flexibility to upgrade the memory a lot later.

(G) You mention that disk isn't much of a concern. Is that because you just want lots of compute nodes or because you're putting everything into a NAS/SAN or what?

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#6
We have a smattering of 100-150 HP DL380s and BL460c blades. We've seen approximately a 5% infant mortality rate (DOA or issues in the first 90 days). Depending on the channel HP's custom configurations come as a base and add on accessories -- if you order a dual 5160 DL380 with 32G of ram and 4x146g SAS you might get a preassembled 1x5160 4G 1x146 and a CPU, 14 2g DIMMS, and 3 disks, each in a separate shipping carton. You then spend about one person day per two computers unpacking individual components from cardboard and shipping foam boxes and installing CPUs, DIMMs, and disks. It's not my favorite thing to do, and it means that you only get about three computers per pallet. It's also, of course, not burnt-in beforehand, so you get to rack and memtest them for a day or two yourself.

In contrast we've had really good luck with a regional whitebox VAR -- they would assemble Intel reference platforms and Supermicro systems, burn them in, and ship them, assembled, in the one box the case came in. As far as I know we've had closer to a 1% failure rate over three years with these (exclusive of HD failures but not environmental, over-heat, issues).

On balance it's a tough call, because HP (and I assume Dell) have a much slicker lights-out-management solution than the last IPMI demo I saw. Maybe the whiteboxes have improved, but I assume the HP machines are still easier to support.

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#8
You may consider 8anet.com. You can customize the server according to your needs. They also setup for you the server for 20 or 50 dollars. I don't remember exactl

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#9
So, some lessons learned...

1. lights out management matters

2. ensure your OS is happy on the hardware ahead of time

3. if you are expecting to make regular purchases, with growth for example, tell the vendor that

4. always negotiate

5. dell actually makes good servers now

6. look hard at the power density you get wherever your servers will live and factor cost of rack space into server cost numbers -- if you have low power density, slightly pricier servers with lower power reqs may win out

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