Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
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#2Looking forward to the inevitable "Kagi sells user data" investigative report. The simple truth is that unless they make themselves explicitly liable to users if they are ever caught doing this, that the irresistable urge to monetize user data will tempt even the most well-meaning firm into sin. The ONLY solution is to make 'sinning' an existential threat to the firm. IANAL but I believe this can be done if ownership agrees to voluntarily enter into something like a fiduciary arrangement with their users. This means writing a EULA that does not minimize the firm's risk, but instead increases it in specific, meaningful ways. Increasing client risk is something attorneys are absolutely allergic to, and will argue up and down about why the client shouldn't do it. I would say that, if the customers know and care about such a step, it could be a valuable PR and marketing move that demonstrates REAL integrity.
As it is, we only believe that "users paying for services" will protect against data exfiltration because of very naive reasoning, or, perhaps more accurately, praying.
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Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#4Looking forward to the inevitable "Kagi sells user data" investigative report. The simple truth is that unless they make themselves explicitly liable to users if they are ever caught doing this, that the irresistable urge to monetize user data will tempt even the most well-meaning firm into sin. The ONLY solution is to make 'sinning' an existential threat to the firm. IANAL but I believe this can be done if ownership…
Yea I also worry about this. At this moment Kagi feels like the best I can do for search.
Unfortunately these days I won't be surprised to hear of fuckery from them. It's happened too many times.
Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#5Looking forward to the inevitable "Kagi sells user data" investigative report. The simple truth is that unless they make themselves explicitly liable to users if they are ever caught doing this, that the irresistable urge to monetize user data will tempt even the most well-meaning firm into sin. The ONLY solution is to make 'sinning' an existential threat to the firm. IANAL but I believe this can be done if ownership…
> Looking forward to the inevitable "Kagi sells user data" investigative report.
Who would they sell the data to? Google? Ohhhh noooooo...
More seriously, as long as it's paired with a "But their search results are still better than Google's trashfire", I'm not sure it would matter. Their tagline is "Fast, accurate, and ad-free", not "Fast, accurate, ad-free, and private."
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#6I am quite interested by Kagi's model, and would like to try it. One issue is that I do find it a little pricey (it's roughly £110/yr just for web search).
This seems like a shame. I'd love to understand more re: how they come up with those prices in the first place, if any information is available.
It would also be interesting to explore how many of the people praising it here and elsewhere are paying customers.
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#7Recently I discovered there's no more "Non-commercial" lens.
I'm still a happy Kagi user but I found that lens helpful for avoiding over-SEOd sites filled with affiliate links and was disappointed to see it gone.
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#8I switched to Kagi earlier this year and I have found its search to be vastly better than Google's in almost every case. The only time I finding myself use Google over Kagi is for searching for local business numbers or Google Maps.
If you are on the fence on paying for a search engine give it a shot for a month and you might be as surprised as to how good Kagi is as I was.
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#9Honestly, I rather use Bing and get paid for searching. As a student with no income, I rather use something free.
Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#10I am quite interested by Kagi's model, and would like to try it. One issue is that I do find it a little pricey (it's roughly £110/yr just for web search). This seems like a shame. I'd love to understand more re: how they come up with those prices in the first place, if any information is available. It would also be interesting to explore how many of the people praising it here and elsewhere are paying customers.
You're paying Kagi for privacy.