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Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

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Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

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as a Gnome 3 user I dislike the move away from title bars but I am sure there will be a switch somewhere to restore them. But overall I have to say (after reading only this article) I don't really see any compelling reason to upgrade because I feel rather "meh" about the changes in 3.4

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

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> Having the application's functionality split across two completely separate menus does not constitute a usability improvement.

That's putting it mildly. A split menu may be correct from some design point of view (e.g DRY principle) but from a usability point of view, it's recipe for frustration.

On a more general note, does no one else consider Mac-style "alt-tab switches apps" and "global menu" usability mistakes? (on grounds of being modal)

With both Unity and Gnome adopting these, I no longer have a compelling reason to switch from Mac back to Linux.

Which is a pity really, because Gnome 3 is one of the prettiest and most usable desktops I've seen: I love how the windows key gives you access to the dock, all windows, workspaces and search at the same time.

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

#4

as a Gnome 3 user I dislike the move away from title bars but I am sure there will be a switch somewhere to restore them. But overall I have to say (after reading only this article) I don't really see any compelling reason to upgrade because I feel rather "meh" about the changes in 3.4

GNOME 3.4 doesn't eliminate all title bars; it just introduces the ability for applications to specifically mark themselves as not needing a title bar when maximized. Specific GNOME applications do so when they have appropriate levels of integration and UI such that the title bar really does become fully redundant.

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

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I'm quite happy with GNOME 3 on an 11" MBA. Most things, like browsers running fullscreen, gvim and terminal side-by-side, each taking half of the screen, no need to fuss with resizing and moving windows.

This might not be optimal for large displays and desktop computers, but if with Windows 8 the future of computers looks like [1], then GNOME might have made a very smart move with the shell.

1: http://liliputing.com/2011/12/samsung-series-7-slate-pc-revi...

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

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post #3

> Having the application's functionality split across two completely separate menus does not constitute a usability improvement. That's putting it mildly. A split menu may be correct from some design point of view (e.g DRY principle) but from a usability point of view, it's recipe for frustration. On a more general note, does no one else consider Mac-style "alt-tab switches apps" and "global menu" usability mistakes?…

"I no longer have a compelling reason to switch from Mac back to Linux."

Even if you assume that the only thing Linux has to offer is graphical windowing environments; there are a lot of other enviornments besides gnome/unity...

Xfce, awesome, kde, xmonad, lxde, fvwm95(joke), etc....

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

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I've been forcing myself to use GNOME-shell for the past few months, just to see if it was as bad as most people make it out to be, and I have to grudgingly admit that some of the design choices are elegant.

For example, I find myself liking the activities overview more and more since it combines together functionalities that you'd have to access separately on other desktop environments, namely a keyboard based application launcher, windows scale (or exposé for the Mac crowd) and virtual desktop manager. It's problematic that each environment maxes out at 8-9 windows before it becomes unmanageable, but the philosophy seems to be new desktops on demand, which are quick to create (just drag a window to the blank desktop or middle click an application to launch it in a clean desktop)

And the new Alt+Tab behavior does have a silver lining in that it scales much better for large number of windows since it allows you to drill down much quicker to the window you're looking for: Alt+Tab until you reach the application, Alt+ to reach the specific window you want. Or Alt+Tab, then use the mouse to highlight the application and then the specific window.

Another little know functionality is that the shell comes with a screen recorder: Ctrl+Shift+Alt+R to start recording, again to stop, the video is saved as WebM on the root of your home dir.

It's far from perfect, some functions take way too many motions to execute, and I wish they allowed you to bind mouse shortcuts (it would be perfect to enter the overview), but the basis for what could become a pretty decent desktop environment are there.

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

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Browse the gnome-usability mailing list archives— you will see that there are barely more than a dozen threads each month, none of them really touching major usability issues that would come with significant design changes.

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/

I used to be involved with Gnome a long time ago (pre 2.14), and have lost touch since— so maybe the accessibility mailing list is now outdated and I'm looking in the wrong place — but I feel like there's a huge disconnect between the various teams, and that design decisions are taken by isolated groups of developers, with little regard for system coherency or good, consistent usability.

Linux-world developers are good at many, many things— but in my humble opinion, good usability and design are not amongst them.

Re: Hands-on: GNOME 3.4 arrives, introducing significant design changes

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post #3

> Having the application's functionality split across two completely separate menus does not constitute a usability improvement. That's putting it mildly. A split menu may be correct from some design point of view (e.g DRY principle) but from a usability point of view, it's recipe for frustration. On a more general note, does no one else consider Mac-style "alt-tab switches apps" and "global menu" usability mistakes?…

> On a more general note, does no one else consider Mac-style "alt-tab switches apps" and "global menu" usability mistakes? (on grounds of being modal)

Au contraire, I now consider gnome usable for the first time. The fact that apps didn't really exist but as a collection of individual windows drove me crazy.

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