French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
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Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
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Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
#3This article is ridiculous. It has cherry picked statistics and misrepresented them. In 2011 digital downloads of music (through legitimate services, eg: itunes, spotify) GREW almost 20%(!!!).
The reason that the overall statistics show a drop is because of physical media being included and that has fallen a huge amount:
> Internet music growth was insufficient to offset falling sales of music on physical supports, down 11.5 percent to EUR 412 million, with the overall recorded music market falling by 3.9 percent in 2011.
If you ONLY consider the digital side:
> Download revenues grew by 18.4 percent compared to 2010. Streaming and subscriptions grew by 73 percent to EUR 39 million. Subscriptions services such as those from Spotify and Deezer grew by 89 percent to EUR 26 million.
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/french-online-music-worth-e...
So when the author says:
> So if piracy is down massively in France, one would expect that the revenues are soaring, right?
He is being deceitful. Revenues are soaring..., they're up almost 20% on 2010. If the aim of the three strike rule was to stop digital piracy and increase digital sales that is exactly what it has achieved, they've dropped piracy 50% and increased sales 20%. You can't include the physical media sales in the latter to make a point...
Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
#4This article is ridiculous. It has cherry picked statistics and misrepresented them. In 2011 digital downloads of music (through legitimate services, eg: itunes, spotify) GREW almost 20%(!!!). The reason that the overall statistics show a drop is because of physical media being included and that has fallen a huge amount: > Internet music growth was insufficient to offset falling sales of music on physical supports, d…
I think you may have missed his point, he's actually saying the same thing you are.
He uses the total revenue metric because that is what the industry has been using in its lobbying and PR efforts for many years. The industry has claimed that the decrease in total revenue it has experienced is being driven entirely (or almost entirely) by piracy. If this were true, then the piracy reduction in France would lead to higher total revenue.
Since that has not been the case, the link between piracy and total revenue seems to have been overstated by the industry.
The author then suggests that the drop in total revenue has been caused by new, less profitable formats, which is exactly what you pointed out (with evidence), rather than piracy.
I agree that the headline and some of the language are a bit sensationalist, but the point of the article is valid and in agreement with your points.
Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
#5This article is ridiculous. It has cherry picked statistics and misrepresented them. In 2011 digital downloads of music (through legitimate services, eg: itunes, spotify) GREW almost 20%(!!!). The reason that the overall statistics show a drop is because of physical media being included and that has fallen a huge amount: > Internet music growth was insufficient to offset falling sales of music on physical supports, d…
I agree the article is one sided, but rather than your view I still think its a moot point. Internet sales grew 18.4%, whilst overall sales were down 3.9%. I'm not sure either of these figures are so far out of line with what is happening in other countries for either side to claim they say anything about the impacts of this law clearly.
Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
#6How does it work? I mean, every single torrent connection is encrypted today. How would they know that I'm seeding something copyrighted, not a windows swap file?
Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
#7The biggest problem in France is the lake of legal offers for anything but music, and this won't change soon for several reasons:
-2€ for an episode of house, SD, for 48 hours, up to 5€ for a movie for 48 hours but still they are complaining about the situation and would like to change the prices up to 8€/SDmovie for 48h http://www.journaldugeek.com/2012/03/28/vod-des-fims-plus-ch...
-Legally you need to wait 3 years after the theater release to put a movie on vod. Why it won't change ? Because canal+ a private channel who broadcast movies only 10 month after their release is also the main financial contributor of french productions. http://www.numerama.com/magazine/22024-l-effort-minimal-de-c...
Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
#8How does it work? I mean, every single torrent connection is encrypted today. How would they know that I'm seeding something copyrighted, not a windows swap file?
They simply check which IPs are in a certain swarm, for a certain file. This is then reported to issue a strike against the connected IPs.
Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
#9This article is ridiculous. It has cherry picked statistics and misrepresented them. In 2011 digital downloads of music (through legitimate services, eg: itunes, spotify) GREW almost 20%(!!!). The reason that the overall statistics show a drop is because of physical media being included and that has fallen a huge amount: > Internet music growth was insufficient to offset falling sales of music on physical supports, d…
It's also possible and likely that in 2011 iTunes sales grew because of the increased sales of iOS devices in France, not necessarily because piracy was replaced by more purchases.
Plus, they are only tracking bittorrent - which means that half of the piracy could've shifted to other methods, as soon as they learned about the P2P monitoring program.
Re: French ‘Three Strikes’ Law Slashes Piracy, But Fails to Boost Sales
#10How does it work? I mean, every single torrent connection is encrypted today. How would they know that I'm seeding something copyrighted, not a windows swap file?
They simply check which IPs are in a certain swarm, for a certain file. This is then reported to issue a strike against the connected IPs.
So they seed files themselves and if you're unlucky enough to download from their seed you're busted?
This would probably mean you're reasonably safe if you're downloading niche stuff; private trackers would also help?