Web Environment Integrity Explainer
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Web Environment Integrity Explainer
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Re: Web Environment Integrity Explainer
#2Absolute worst spec I've ever seen. Google needs to be loaded into a cannon and fired into the sun.
> How does this affect browser modifications and extensions?
> Web Environment Integrity attests the legitimacy of the underlying hardware and software stack, it does not restrict the indicated application’s functionality: E.g. if the browser allows extensions, the user may use extensions; if a browser is modified, the modified browser can still request Web Environment Integrity attestation.
Then what's the point? I can make modified bot browser that commits ad fraud as long as I don't use a rooted Android phone?
I don't believe they're being honest with how this will be used. We need to legally regulate remote attestation.
> As new browsers are introduced, they would need to demonstrate to attesters (a relatively small group) that they pass the bar, but they wouldn't need to convince all the websites in the world.
It speaks for itself. Horrid.
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#3The first use case they mention is restricting ad fraud (and, presumably, ad blocking):
> Users like visiting websites that are expensive to create and maintain, but they often want or need to do it without paying directly. These websites fund themselves with ads, but the advertisers can only afford to pay for humans to see the ads, rather than robots. This creates a need for human users to prove to websites that they're human, sometimes through tasks like challenges or logins.
So if this goes forward, websites will be able to call the web environment integrity API to check you are a proper ad-watching human before serving content.
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#4This topic was posted earlier today but was seemingly killed..
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#5The first use case they mention is restricting ad fraud (and, presumably, ad blocking): > Users like visiting websites that are expensive to create and maintain, but they often want or need to do it without paying directly. These websites fund themselves with ads, but the advertisers can only afford to pay for humans to see the ads, rather than robots. This creates a need for human users to prove to websites that the…
"Your contract with the network when you get the show is, you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Anytime you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing programming."
Jamie Kellner's words still ring true today. When corporations make content available supported by advertisements, they are assuming a moral obligation on your part to see those advertisements. Violating that obligation is felony contempt of business model.
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#6what kind of bs is this?
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#7This topic was posted earlier today but was seemingly killed.. https://hnrankings.info/36778999/
> This topic was posted earlier today but was seemingly killed..
I don't like you cause you contradicted me the last time, therefore I'm going to mod you into oblivion :]
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#8What if I tell my browser to not respond to these attestation requests?
What about all the people who have an outdated browser and don't know how to update it?
edit: One of the goals addresses this[0]:
Continue to allow web browsers to browse the Web without attestation
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#9The first use case they mention is restricting ad fraud (and, presumably, ad blocking): > Users like visiting websites that are expensive to create and maintain, but they often want or need to do it without paying directly. These websites fund themselves with ads, but the advertisers can only afford to pay for humans to see the ads, rather than robots. This creates a need for human users to prove to websites that the…
"Your contract with the network when you get the show is, you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Anytime you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing programming." Jamie Kellner's words still ring true today. When corporations make content available supported by advertisements, they are assuming a moral obligation on your part to see those…
This is sarcasm right? Because otherwise it sounds like going to the bathroom during a commercial would be illegal.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Your contract with the network when you get the show is, you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Anytime you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing programming." Jamie Kellner's words still ring true today. When corporations make content available supported by advertisements, they are assuming a moral obligation on your part to see those…
This is sarcasm right? Because otherwise it sounds like going to the bathroom during a commercial would be illegal.
Kellner did add "I guess there's a certain amount of tolerance for going to the bathroom." But if your bathroom breaks become too frequent, I guess you run the risk of "actually stealing programming".