TSA: Fail

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Post by vamsee » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 5:02 PM UTC

TSA: Fail
gmancasefile.blogspot.in

Re: TSA: Fail

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Post by dsr_ » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 6:23 PM UTC

TL;DR: Bruce Schneier is still right.

Re: TSA: Fail

#3

Post by tnuc » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 6:31 PM UTC

I disagree, he missed a vital point.

TSA: Success

The worlds most expensive security theater. Making you feel safer for your troubles.

Re: TSA: Fail

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 6:36 PM UTC

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Re: TSA: Fail

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Post by mahyarm » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 6:42 PM UTC

tnuc wrote: post #3

I disagree, he missed a vital point. TSA: Success The worlds most expensive security theater. Making you feel safer for your troubles.

Before the TSA, didn't you have to wait in a similar luggage screening line anyway? Other than the addition of the backscatter machine, checking your id before you enter the line and some other procedural changes what is different?

Re: TSA: Fail

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Post by saryant » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 6:47 PM UTC

mahyarm wrote: post #5

tnuc wrote: post #3

I disagree, he missed a vital point. TSA: Success The worlds most expensive security theater. Making you feel safer for your troubles.

Before the TSA, didn't you have to wait in a similar luggage screening line anyway? Other than the addition of the backscatter machine, checking your id before you enter the line and some other procedural changes what is different?

Care to count the billions spent on those "differences"?

Re: TSA: Fail

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Post by daeken » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 6:50 PM UTC

mahyarm wrote: post #5

tnuc wrote: post #3

I disagree, he missed a vital point. TSA: Success The worlds most expensive security theater. Making you feel safer for your troubles.

Before the TSA, didn't you have to wait in a similar luggage screening line anyway? Other than the addition of the backscatter machine, checking your id before you enter the line and some other procedural changes what is different?

Take off your shoes, get rid of all liquids (unless they're in a plastic bag, of course -- those are always safe), look up at the anxiety detection cameras, and enjoy flying in Complete Safety (R) (TM).

Re: TSA: Fail

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Post by mcantelon » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 6:51 PM UTC

tnuc wrote: post #3

I disagree, he missed a vital point. TSA: Success The worlds most expensive security theater. Making you feel safer for your troubles.

>The worlds most expensive security theater. Making you feel safer for your troubles.

And humiliating you so you're more likely to accept whatever the federal government doles out in the future. Psychological conditioning.

Re: TSA: Fail

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Post by verelo » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 6:53 PM UTC

As someone who travels regularly and is not an American, I've had nothing but frustrations generated by the "TSA". Initially it caused me to unfairly assume all Americans are like TSA agents (i know this isn't true, but i guess its just my human bias). A few things that frustrate me:

- They are not friendly, have a real attitude problem and treat you as if you are guilty before proven innocent. You are the face of the country, the first impression every traveler gets. When i say "how are you doing?" as i approach, its what i say to everyone. Have the common decency to say "Yeah i'm ok" or "Not so great" rather than just looking at me like i'm an idiot.

- The TSA doesn't make it clear that they are just specific to the USA. When boarding planes in another country you hear about the "TSA" and you're like "who the hell is this International body that rules transport?". They are private agents of the US, no different to the guards that any other country has. This should be explicitly clear, because they act like gods.

- They seriously invade my privacy and treat me as if i have no rights just because im from somewhere else. Nothing says "Welcome to the USA" like having your body photograph, fingerprints taken (the finger printing seriously bothers me...i cant explain why because i dont know why, but it seriously bothers me is all i can say) and some border guard with an attitude problem treating you like you've turned up to take all the jobs. So much freedom, give me a break...

Moving all invasions of privacy aside, forgetting about how effective or ineffective the TSA is...i just hate the way they treat people. They have a reputation to up hold, they are everyone's first impression of the US and...given the USA's global reputation today, they could really do with some advice from Rackspace on how to deal with customers.

EDIT: Fixing my spelling of "planes" :-(

Re: TSA: Fail

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Post by willvarfar » Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 7:07 PM UTC

dsr_ wrote: post #2

TL;DR: Bruce Schneier is still right.

Its natural to read your comment as though the article disagrees with Bruce and you think the article is wrong and Bruce is right.

We all know that the article is completely in line with Bruce and he even blogged it: www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/02/fbi_special_age.html

Just clearing that up ;)