MVC Isn’t MVC

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Post by ingve » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:06 PM UTC

Re: MVC Isn’t MVC

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Post by misterbwong » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:26 PM UTC

If you squint a bit, the "original" MVC looks eerily similar to the one-way data flow pattern popularized by flux/redux.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/React_(software)#Unidirectiona...

edit: better link

Re: MVC Isn’t MVC

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Post by dfox » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:40 PM UTC

misterbwong wrote: post #2

If you squint a bit, the "original" MVC looks eerily similar to the one-way data flow pattern popularized by flux/redux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/React_(software)#Unidirectiona... edit: better link

Indeed, what the various “reactive” frameworks do is in the end the idea behind MVC, although as they are web-based the implementation is ridiculously complex and the abstraction is very leaky.

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Post by scrame » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:46 PM UTC

misterbwong wrote: post #2

If you squint a bit, the "original" MVC looks eerily similar to the one-way data flow pattern popularized by flux/redux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/React_(software)#Unidirectiona... edit: better link

the purest mvc demo is pong.

Re: MVC Isn’t MVC

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Post by Avlin67 » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:47 PM UTC

I did long forgot the MVC stuff...

Re: MVC Isn’t MVC

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Post by laurent123456 » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:48 PM UTC

misterbwong wrote: post #2

If you squint a bit, the "original" MVC looks eerily similar to the one-way data flow pattern popularized by flux/redux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/React_(software)#Unidirectiona... edit: better link

In many ways it's really just MVC (at least the fat model / skinny controller style) except they renamed the elements:

- Dispatcher = Controller

- Store = Model

- View = View

And the actions are the messages sent from the user to the controller.

Re: MVC Isn’t MVC

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Post by fredgrott » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:51 PM UTC

To get anal

If you use any SDK and or framework you do not have MVC

you instead have

framework-SuperController | MVC

Re: MVC Isn’t MVC

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Post by Khelavaster » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:52 PM UTC

Responsive UI-driven apps these days use MVC backend => frontend MVC app context loader => frontend MVVM application layer.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/architecture/maui/m...

Re: MVC Isn’t MVC

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Post by bsaul » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:52 PM UTC

Not sure why author got the impression apple’s models had to be « dumb data containers ».

Actually, having dumb models is the surest way to completely screw up your controllers design, since you’re now left with no other places to write your business logic in. This leads to either weird trees of controller inheriting each other for the sake of reusing some data processing piece, or singletons everywhere which makes the code super hard to reason upon, not to mention harder to unit test.

My take on the model layer is : write everything that’s not strictly specific to your UI there.

Re: MVC Isn’t MVC

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Post by MrPatan » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:53 PM UTC

misterbwong wrote: post #2

If you squint a bit, the "original" MVC looks eerily similar to the one-way data flow pattern popularized by flux/redux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/React_(software)#Unidirectiona... edit: better link

It may be a matter of explaining it differently. Maybe just the names! But I never "got" MVC, and I got the one way data flow pattern straight away. Maybe I was just old enough to get the point that time around.